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1870 Shield Nickel

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 Posted 08/03/2013  2:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
What we're running into here is the difficulty of grading from photographs. It is as much about understanding images themselves - the photographic process and what does and doesn't translate - as it is about understanding the individual coin issue. Not everybody's capable of creating "perfect" coin images, so you have to take grading opinions with a grain of salt. Here's how we'll approach this:

Below I'm posting a couple images of a well-struck Mint State 1870 (PCGS 65), imaged with sufficient quality to reliably grade from. It's as much about the quality of color and implied luster, as it is about the sheer sharpness of the pics. The scrollwork and upper part of the design are the high points; on the reverse, your best bet for catching wear early is the stars. However, all of these are also areas which are affected by weak strikes, so there's still a level of subjective thinking in the grading process.

See what you can - using your own eyes with your coin in-hand - observe to differentiate your coin from the one I'm posting. One thing I immediately noticed, which I hadn't before, is what looks like a sizable break in the obverse die of your coin down near 4:00 below the last leaf. If that's a chunk out of the die, it makes for a very interesting feature given its' size.

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 Posted 08/03/2013  3:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bpoc1 to your friends list
Is that a die crack below CENts in op picture and SsDd picture?
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Is that a die crack below CENts in op picture and SsDd picture?


Yes, it's a pretty common location for die cracks with this issue. Note they're not the same crack, indicating two differing dies.
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 Posted 08/03/2013  4:12 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
It appears the coin Dave posted is a slightly later die state than the op's coin but not by much :)
Cool coin and a very under appreciated series.

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 Posted 08/03/2013  6:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TJsCoins to your friends list
AU 55. Nice!
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 Posted 08/03/2013  11:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eklections to your friends list
I look for ware on the Stars on the Reverse and on the horizontal shield lines and leaves on the obverse. AU50+ should have full stars on the reverse. There looks to be ware on the horizontal lines and several of the leaves. Definitely better than XF but no better than AU50-AU53 IMO.
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 Posted 08/04/2013  12:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bababooey to your friends list
Here is another picture, taken as best I can. I tried two lights and no flash. This may or may not be easier to grade from. Thank for the opinions. thus far. I'm happy if it is in the AU range and it is a real coin. However it is irritating that it was sold as a "BU Choice" by a major dealer on ebay, when the consensus here is AU.

It's clearly not the MS-65 that was posted above, but neither was the price.

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I think it could grade AU-58. It seems to have much more luster than what I often see in the lower AU grades.
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 Posted 08/04/2013  02:15 am  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
After seeing the newer, better pictures, I agree with D0ubl3Eagle.
Your first picture made it appear lower AU.
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 Posted 08/04/2013  10:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Much betterer.

I love the die cracks, and the chunk at 4:00 is likely big enough to add value to a real fan of the series. With the new images, I wouldn't be floored if a TPG called this one Mint State. I don't see a whole lot of evidence of circulation - the stars are crisp and any evident wear on the obverse could be a function of strike, exacerbated by the extensive cracking. That die was nearly terminal.
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 Posted 08/04/2013  3:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
whats amazing is the angle and lighting of the pictures changes opinions for a low grade AU to possible a mint state. just goes to show you what you see is not always the case. if I saw these pics originally I probably would gone with a low grade MS.

my question would be...is the noticeable wear on the shield in the first pic the real one or is it the 2nd one?
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 Posted 08/04/2013  3:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TJsCoins to your friends list
At worst this is a slider. I will call it MS62. Great coin! Really dig the die cracks!
The new pics are rockin BTW!
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 Posted 08/05/2013  05:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bababooey to your friends list
Thanks for all the comments. Trying to learn how to take more accurate pictures. So it seems the consensus is some were in the AU58-MS62 range, I'll take that!

It's one of my nicest looking Shield nickels. It dose have some interesting looking die cracks. Not really sure that the thing at 4:00 is; ? die break I guess.
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 Posted 08/05/2013  09:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
Dont think thats from a crack in the die, most likely a chip out of the die
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