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Did you buy this on ebay? If so do you have a link? Just curious of the sellers description. This hobby is mostly about learning. Don't get discouraged. I love coin roll hunting and it has its highs and lows. |
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Edited by justin3651
08/29/2013 03:37 am
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The reply from my friend, ANA Govenor, and past president of CONECA Michael Ellis (I left out my questions to him regarding this piece and some personal stuff from our email exchange) but here is the gist of his answer, condensed from two emails; Yep, PMD. Easily done with many things of which a vice is one of them. Can be done with a carjack too! As for the "extra metal" " Cud like" area. That is the result of where the most pressure was exerted and how the coins were aligned when the pressure was applied. And notice how it is out of round as well. That is from uneven alignment and pressure. They were probably stacked perfectly one against the other but slid out of place when pressure was applied. You are correct too, this is a very good learning tool. --end reply-- I hadn't really noticed the coin being out of round, that would be something to look for right away too. Mike worked with the Gallery Mint Museum for awhile and defintely absorbed as much as he could on how coins are struck, they also purposely created mint errors to learn how certain errors were made at the mint, since the Gallery Mint used very similar techniques as the US mint did in the early days. Thanks to Mike for his input on this coin. As always he is a very knowledgable error coin expert and shares his knowledge with the whole numismatic community. I've been trying to get him to join us here at CCF, but he is a busy guy!  "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Justin- I understand that the seller didn't list it as an error, but I would never feel comfortable selling an item like that. Someone could buy it and try to pass it off on another person. I haven't left feedback yet, still deciding on what I should put.
Westcoins and all who have taken the time to evaluate: I appreciate all of your expertise!! Thank you for helping me understand. I can't believe you got Mr. Ellis to respond and sorry about wasting his time! Please tell him thanks! This has been a great learning experience for me and I can honestly say, that feel comfortable in spotting the "vice" or "squeezed" coins now! Every experience is making me a better collector. I hope I didn't waste a lot of your time. Thanks again everyone!
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Coinfox1. Guess, with a image of the Reverse, we can have a better opinion. Seem like a Die clash. Nice coin. Congratulations.
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Die clash? More like a vice clash.
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Sorry coinfox. I was reading only the first page. But yes; in the reverse is the answer of everything.
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No ones time was wasted with this thread. it was interesting and I'm sure people will learn from it. Good thread  |
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Good thread read it with a grin. As for the coin you could always sell it to your kid brother for $20.. lol
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I can't believe you got Mr. Ellis to respond and sorry about wasting his time! Please tell him thanks! No worries, as I said Mike is a good friend of mine! He also says he doesn't mind helping out or teaching when he can, if you run into him at an ANA event go up and introduce yourself - you'll find that he is quite approachable, friendly and free to share knowledge about coins and errors. Quote:
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No ones time was wasted with this thread. it was interesting and I'm sure people will learn from it. Good thread That is why I kept it going for a bit, even if others were so quick to dismiss it as PMD, I thought the exact same thing myself, but used it as a learning tool for others to see just how a coin can end up looking like this. Even Mike agreed that it was a very good coin to share with others and use as teaching tool on faked mint errors, way too many people not only fall for them, but end up spending lots of money on junk. Glad the flow went towards the education I was pushing for rather than berating coinfox for or anyone else that thought or hoped it was real. Everyone can get burned and everyone can learn - it's all in how you open your mind!  "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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westcoin you forgot to put the entire quote in there, where's the lol - laugh out loud? Obviously meant to add a bit of humor thats all.
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Thank you Justin and Westcoin! Again, it has been a great learning experience! Coincommunity is the best collecting site on the web that I have found!
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westcoin you forgot to put the entire quote in there, where's the lol - laugh out loud? Obviously meant to add a bit of humor thats all. Opps, missed the copy, it was late at night posting that reply, I got you were only joking hence the devil stirring up the pot! Sorry if it didn't come across that way pennyman. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Coincommunity is the best collecting site on the web that I have found! True that! |
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Sure makes a great conversation piece!!
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