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 Posted 10/03/2013  2:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jack jeckel to your friends list

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I agree with just buying PM containing sets...

44 year old proof sets (1968) sold for $5...listed value is now $5


The 1968 proof sets contains PM.

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 Posted 10/03/2013  3:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Foxwoods Man to your friends list
Yup, around $3.20 of that set's value is the 40% half
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 Posted 10/03/2013  4:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list
If that was the goal I would go with quality over quantity. I completely agree that common things generally remain common which severely limits their upside.
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 Posted 10/03/2013  4:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Foxwoods Man to your friends list
Correct...and that is why most that buy PM containing products go with ASE's or the gold counterparts...small premium, quality and content can't be beat AND easy to sell
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 Posted 10/03/2013  7:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Superhal to your friends list
Awesome, this is exactly the advice I was looking for. )

My coin dealer has been in business over forty years, I think except for newly discovered errors, his prices dont change. He consistently has old stock at a dollar or two above what he paid, even if he bought it in the 70`s.

He has tons of three coin bucentennial silver sets too. :)
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10/03/2013 7:29 pm
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 Posted 10/03/2013  10:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stylez to your friends list
I was told once by a older collector to buy old high dollar coins.. they rarely go down and they aren't making anymore of them.... good luck and happy huntings... PEACE...
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 Posted 10/03/2013  11:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DNA to your friends list
I've been buying common Silver Proof coins/sets as bullion for years now.
I've seen people at coin shows walk right past modern Silver Proof coins priced at melt value, and then buying circulated junk silver.
ASE's are easy to sell, true, but when you buy them you always pay a premium over spot. Junk silver and AG Proofs can be found for melt, which gives you more silver for your money.
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 Posted 10/04/2013  6:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Superhal to your friends list

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I was told once by a older collector to buy old high dollar coins.. they rarely go down and they aren't making anymore of them....


I'm trying to get in on the ground floor as much as possible. Imho, it's hard to tell on the older coins which have room to increase in value. If they have already been identified as valuable, then I think it's too late. In other words, I don't want to spend $98 on a $1 coin and in 20 years have it be worth $99 (doubled face value.) I want to get into something like bicentennials where you can buy them at say 40-50 cents today, and maybe sell them for 75-$1 later.
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 Posted 10/04/2013  8:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add schris252 to your friends list
i have a few proof sets, but I am reluctant to buy any more. considering for example the 1983-S proof set. priced at $11.00 when it came out, current retail is around $3.50 - $4.00
so it has lost value in 30 years, what difference does 20 more years make? by that time if trends continue it will be equivalent of $1.50 - $2.00 today. maybe 2013 ASE are good investments, if they are well protected over the years, they are bound to be worth something one day. only thing is,who knows when that day will come.
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 Posted 10/04/2013  8:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list
Any new coins I buy have been ASE's (just regular BU). and Silver Mint Proof sets... (2010 onwards)
I did buy some 3 cent coins (1 at auction and 1 at a stamp show).
All the other coins I have bought at face or found..

what does PM mean?
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 Posted 10/04/2013  9:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Superhal to your friends list

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i have a few proof sets, but I am reluctant to buy any more. considering for example the 1983-S proof set. priced at $11.00 when it came out, current retail is around $3.50 - $4.00


Awesome, that's a good one for me, not so good for you though. :( The one thing I like about proof sets is that there is a set floor for value, they can never go below face. Buying a 1/5/10/25/50/$1 for say $3-4 is exactly what I am looking for. Also, looking back, it seems that after 20 years, proof sets hit a floor and stop going down. If I can buy at the bottom and it stays at the same price, that's fine.


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what does PM mean?


Precious metals, gold and silver.
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10/04/2013 10:02 pm
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 Posted 10/04/2013  10:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cc99999 to your friends list
you are likely going to be sorely disappointed with your approach. my advice is to study a series you find interesting and stick with it. a common mistake that new collectors make is that they buy scads of worthless coins thinking they are making good choices and that they will go up in value. Once you've bought up enough of this material that you have nothing else cheap to buy and you've learned nothing- you will lose interest in the hobby and move on to something else. The sad part is - all the money you invested could have gone to something you truly would have enjoyed owning.

buying coins as an investment takes time, time, time, and more time. that time is spent learning how to grade, learning how to spot varieties, learning what's out there in the marketplace, and learning what the competition knows and doesn't know.

you aren't going to get that information from a forum- and if someone does give it to you- you probably won't recognize it for the good advice that it is.

but to help you out:

post 1964: MS-66 or better Kennedy 40% silvers 1965-1970. High end individual coins from mint sets- 1969 quarters that are nice. 1981-S SBAs that are nice.

better buys:

proof Indian cents. proof lincolns through 1953.

any 19th century coin besides Morgan dollars in mint state under $250.
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10/04/2013 10:09 pm
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 Posted 10/04/2013  10:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Superhal to your friends list
Thanks for the info. :)

I'm having a lot of fun so far actually. :D

The only thing that kind of sucked so far was going through about 10 kgs of loose change and only taking out 1 wheat, 1 mercury, 3 bicentennials, and a bag full of pre zinc copper pennies.

Getting into the non-commons has really been a lot better. Not only are they inherently rarer, they're usually inherently worth more and look great too.
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 Posted 10/05/2013  06:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pertinax to your friends list
You could take the contrarian view.

If you buy coins cheap enough, there will always be people around who won't be able to resist a bargain.

I sell mixed world coins at a car boot sales at 20p each, 6 for £1. You can buy such coins at 10p each in bulk - I'd be happy to sell to you, to get you started.

For young people - 20p is nothing, they wouldn't bend down to pick a 20p coin off the ground.

As it is, it tempts a few people into collecting - for example, a girl about 6 comes back again and again to buy a few more; a boy of 9 bought 6 coins, his granny came over and bought a proof set and some first day covers, the boy came back, dithered over a Roman coin at £4 but bought a Victorian penny at £6. A gaggle of teachers from the mid-west US bought farthings and halfpennies and crowns for the folks back home. It's penny stuff but one meets interesting people.
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 Posted 10/05/2013  09:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stev18 to your friends list
I say you have to buy what you like, it's going to start off as YOUR coin collection until you are knowledgeable enough to try and flip a few coins or cherry pick them. The modern silver gold sets that come out usually have a small bubble after issue. But as said above if you just buy a bunch if random low price stuff you likely will not have much when all is said and done. PCGS just had an article about how adding meaning to a collection does add value. Should you go sell off your collection and it has coherence to certain types, grades, eras etc you will be able to pull more value out of it than a collection of random coins... And I believe that holds true at any price point beit cents or gold coins...
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