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Pillar of the Community
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The coin has been squeezed ,,I also think its post mint but while being packaged.
Metalman
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SeatedNut might be on the right track here. After examining the coin in the sunlight, the reverse does have a couple of straight line running down its surface. I also examined the cellophane and there does not appear to be any indication the coin got pinched between it. No marks, tears or scraps to it. If the press could have left these marks on the coin from pressure, I would have thought the cellophane also would have been damaged. None visible what so ever.
Now reguardless of the type of damage, either reeding or packaging, doesn't the mint control both
processes? Wouldn't this still be concidered a mint error? Would it be worth having it authenicated and slabbed?
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Whatever the reasonm it sure is an interesting piece.
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Its always a good Idea to have someone who is knowledgeable look at the coin in hand ,,we go by pictures and form opinions ,,sometimes things look different when the coin is in hand.
but I would get several opinions before paying to have the coin slabbed or anything like that .If it is considered post mint damage it will be return in a body bag by PCGS and NGC, and what would be the point of having it an anacs slab if it is damage ?
Metalman
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SeatedNut,
Didn't know that there was pressure too - that makes a lot of sense. Thanks! - Tony
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At what point does a coin go from mint to post mint? I would figure that the packing of mint and proof sets would count as an error in processing of the final steps of the coin before it makes its way to the general public.
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The coin is struck ,, once that occurs anything else is post mint . there are even types of Mechanical Doubling which are considered post mint (ejection doubling) which occurs after the coin is struck . Metalman |
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 Let's set up a field trip to one of the mints.  10 |
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It is possible that the machine that seals the coins in cellophane caused the damage, but how did it happen without the cellophane being damaged or adhering to the coin? I watch a show called "How It's Made" on a fairly regular basis, & in almost every packaging process the wrapper is a continuous roll, the items are inserted & the wrapper is sealed. The product doesn't contact the press without the wrapper in between.
Does anyone know the sequence of events in the packaging process?
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Here are two more pictures of the packaging around the coin. I looked really close and seen no evidence of the cellophane being damaged. I would think for these deep marks to have been made during the cellophane process it would have tore from being pressed against the coin. MetalMan, you brought up a good point about getting it graded until I know more about it. First off, I would have to have them separate the coin from the cellophane and ruining the set. If they couldn't determine that it was mint damage I would be out money and a set. The catch 22 to all this is, if the coin isn't an error then its either just a novelty piece or worth the silver. Some would say its just a post mint error and has to added value. Also, what would a coin in this condition even grade at because of the marks. It surely would never get graded any higher the UNC. Not only that, with the damage to the coin what is the value of this Mint Silver set? Can it ever increase or just carry a value of the Silver Dollar and quarter sold separately? Seems to be no middle ground to the set. The half either carries some added value as a error or the set was doomed from the beginning to never really carry the value of its fellow sets will.   |
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If those lines were raised I would be more inclined to think some type of reeding error , but being incused and not all straight with the coin but slanting ,,I dont see how the collar could cause it ?
as for the value of the set ,, that really depends on if a cause can be determined with any certianty ,, if its damage then the set might as well be broken up and the coins sold individually ,, if its determined to be an error then breaking the set would IMO be a mistake .
Metalman
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Even if it were damage I'd think that it would be more of a rarity to be sealed in mint packaging. Outside of it and it would seem like some guy in his metal shop went to town on it.
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Thanks for the comments gang. I don't believe these coins were ever handled that much as they were part of my father in laws collection. There were many set that weren't even opened from the mint. Just taken from the mail box and put into his safe.
Its also hard for me to believe that the damage was done outside the mint after being cellophaned. The plastic cover is just to prefect and undamaged.
We have a coin show coming up the end of this month. Hopefully someone there will be able to look at it and give some type of explaination. I also plan on taking that 1819 Large cent in AU to get some type of closure on after all this time.
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ordirtdevil
I should think a little longer before posting ,, there is one way I have come up with that may explain it ,,it would still be post mint and considered as damage but its a possible explaination,
if the coin was stuck in the collar and had to be forced out its possible that the coin tilted in such a way that the collar contacted the rim and left what is seen on the coin .
just a theory of course but possible.
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I have tried to come up with various explainations also. There are a few possibilities for this type of damage I can think of. Its either from the reeding collar, during the packaging process or from some type of machinery use to transport/handle the coins during different stages.
Beings that I have never seen the processes use to make an actual coin, a reeding collar jam makes as much sense as any MetalMan.
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