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Do you want quantity or quality?
Usually you cannot have both.
Jimmy Dugan: Well, anything worth doing is worth doing right.
A League of their Own
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11/22/2013 3:36 pm
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I just upload the pics full size and the ebay servers to the rest. It only takes a few seconds to upload on my vios internet. The only processing I do is to crop the pics. My primary goal is to get something as representational of the coin as possible in the shortest amount of time. My picture quality could be a bit better and I actually bought some ikea LED lights today to try and get some better lighting. Mind you, sub-par pictures have the added benefit of people being pleasantly surprised when they get the coins. I have had several comments saying the coins were better than the pics. Edited by timspong
11/22/2013 7:48 pm
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Mind you, sub-par pictures have the added benefit of people being pleasantly surprised when they get the coins. I have had several comments saying the coins were better than the pics. Sub-par images will probably get you sub-par price results. I would rather get more $$$ for better images than a better comment on an already positive feedback. Edited by oih82w8
11/22/2013 10:01 pm
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@timsprong I seem to get the impression that a good chunk of your post processing involves cropping  , to avoid this why dont you shoot more closeup pictures of the coin therefore you dont have to spend time cropping pictures.... Compact cameras are good at letting you shoot pictures at closer distances and they have the advantage of their small sensors which gives pictures a more magnified look to them .... Edited by DaytR
11/22/2013 10:14 pm
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Quote:I just upload the pics full size and the ebay servers to the rest. It only takes a few seconds to upload on my vios internet. The only processing I do is to crop the pics. Fair enough. Your only options for increased efficiency (I don't know if you're already using any of these): 1) Images automatically saved to your computer when you shoot them. 2) A camera of sufficient quality - or one you're good enough with - so you only need to shoot (ideally) one shot per face because you know what settings will get you the shot. 3) A full-on dSLR/dedicated lens rig capable of computer tethering. Canon and Sony (select dSLR models) have this capability included in their software packages, Nikon offers the software at extra cost, and I'm unsure of the others. This latter option - although the most expensive, of course - lets you shoot as fast as you can move coins under the lens and click the mouse. All camera parameters - aperture, exposure, ISO, metering, etc. - are controlled from keyboard/mouse, and you can look at what you're about to shoot in real time on your computer monitor, so you'll know the shot is good before you snap it. Images are automatically saved to hard drive in your pre-specified location. This is especially helpful when you're listing coins of differing composition and wear, because there's no "one size fits all" for different metal and surface finishes. But you only set the camera/lens up once, and never touch it again. This isn't available for small, point-and-shoot cameras, unfortunately. So you're looking at a $few hundred to achieve the setup, and (gut reckoning) the best it'll do is probably double your taking rate. |
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Do you want quantity or quality?
Usually you cannot have both.
Jimmy Dugan: Well, anything worth doing is worth doing right.
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Sub-par images will probably get you sub-par price results.
I would rather get more $$$ for better images than a better comment on an already positive feedback.  Your missing out on sales!! I cant speak for other buyers, but if the photo is poor, I usually pass it by. Im not sure if what your trying to do is possible. Taking pictures of coins like an assembly line will not give you quality. I have found what works for one coin will not necessarily work for the next...meaning lighting, focus, etc. Im in a similar situation as you, I'm busy and don't really have time for it all but I've found that the better the pictures, the better the sales...SO with the help of Ray and Dave, I put together a rig that will give me quality photos. I've been playing and experimenting with different (lack of a better word) home made diffusion boxes and lighting to speed things up and I'm making great progress. Once I have fine tuned everything than I will redo all my pictures for ebay and I'm excited to see what the difference it will make in terms of sales. What ever route you choose, good luck  |
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Wow great answers! Actually when I said my current photos were sub-par I didn't mean they are that bad. They are actually fairly good in most cases, but could definitely improve. The best short term option for me on Superdaves list would be the ability to save straight onto my computer. I am wondering if there is any way to do that with an iphone or at least have the ability to name the photos as I take them. I love the idea of a fully tethered system as in option 3 and would probably aim for that kind of set up for the future. I do have a sony cybershot T300 with a macro mode, but I haven't had a chance to experiment with that one yet and don't really know what it is capable of. I was also experimenting with the Ikea LED lights I bought the other day and my image quality has improved quite a bit with just that change. I am actually going to be doing my coin business full time from next month so any improvements in efficiency & image quality would save me tons of time and gain me more sales. My current ebay output is about 800 coins sold a month and anywhere from 700 to 1000 coins listed at any one time. I am planning to build up to at least double that figure when I go full time which would definitely justify some camera equipment purchases if they are going to make such significant improvements in my work flow processes. cheers Tim |
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3) A full-on dSLR/dedicated lens rig capable of computer tethering. Canon and Sony (select dSLR models) have this capability included in their software packages, Nikon offers the software at extra cost, and I'm unsure of the others.
That is the option I have and love it...everything is controlled by the computer   |
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Tim, I'm left thinking that my "nuclear" high-cost option might be worth considering as a business investment. I don't know how formally you're running the business from an accounting standpoint - whether you'd be able to take any advantage from the investment in business-related equipment and the space dedicated to it - but that's the only avenue which would genuinely impact the speed with which you can generate images. The other two options are incremental at best. What little iPhone knowledge I have makes me think there's no "automatic" save-to-computer function.
With that said, rmc's $400 effort as shown involves compromises in overall efficiency in its' own right. His system cannot autofocus, so you'd be losing time to generating new focus for each coin. You'd need instead a good autofocus macro lens, which would double the cost, to achieve full efficiency.
I don't really envy you the workload or decisions you've got to make now.
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Just a bit of an update.
I bought the camera + app that upgrades the standard iphone camera to give some very useful features for just $1.99. I can now take a square photo and zoom in very easily which alleviates the need for cropping which saves a great deal of time as I now don't need to edit my photos at all.
It also separates the auto focus, the auto exposure and auto white balance so I can lock and/or adjust them separately. I can even choose a different spot on the viewfinder for focus and exposure so when I am using a grey card I can set an lock the white balance before I place the coin on the card, and adjust the exposure for the card rather than the coin.
So overall I have speeded up the process and improved the quality of the photos. Now if I could just figure out a way to save directly to my hard drive I will be happy.
BTW I was in the camera shop yesterday and the guy showed me a neat gadget that you plug into the side of a SLR camera. It links the camera wirelessly to an ipad app and allows a fully tethered system where you can control the camera from the ipad.
cheers
Tim
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Tim,
I think with the latest Mac OS (10.8+) AirDrop feature, you can shared your images automatically, so it would be in your computer almost instantly.
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using the iPhone would NOT result in subpar photos for ebay, especially if the plan is listing in bulk. i don't think the difference in final ebay prices would ever justify the investment for a good DSLR rig unless you are planning to sell coins worth more then $50 each (which I doubt is the case if someone is trying to process 100 coins an hour) if you doubt what a smartphone can do (for ebay) check out the link I posted (3rd post in this thread) regardless of how quickly you can acquire a decent photo, as others have stated, the bottle neck is the actual entering of the listing itself. |
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For volume, I would Use a copy stand and write down the settings that give good sharp pictures for each coin type. Mark the optical center of the copy platform. Create a jig out of balsa wood or similar sprayed flat black (with a hole so you can see and align to the center of the copy platform) and create an alignment line in a highly contrasting color so you always place the coin properly. You probably need a different jig for each size of coin you are going to be listing. Tether to a laptop so you can shoot via a mouse click. Set the tethering software to name the image files with date & time so you can figure out the 33rd coin you imaged at 10am today... While I realize ebay's servers resize because the more of the picture you give them that is coin not background the better it will look, I would still look into cropping (a tool such as ImageMagick can supposedly do this in batches, InfraView too, many others). What you are doing is basically setting up a factory. -----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/ |
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okay just a bit more of an update. I think I have maxed out my speed but it is something I can definitely live with. I just took pictures of 70 coins (4 pics per coin) in 10 mins. That works out about 8.5 seconds a coin, not counting a few sips of tea I had during the process. I basically take a picture of my code number another of the description (eg 1938-D) for easy identification and both the OBV & REV. This way I can easily identify the coins when I am listing them. Another cool process I just started using is to print some contact sheets that include the pics of the code and description give me a great check list to use when I am listing. I can even list coins away from my office, (eg in starbucks) without the actual coins in my hand, using the pics on my laptop and the contact sheets as a reference. The listing time is still the longest part of the process but I think I am at the optimum speed with the actual photography. Also I noticed that the various browsers have small differences that can make a great difference in the time it takes to list. I have experimented with safari, internet explorer, chrome & firefox and they are all have their pro's and cons. However, for listing I find firefox to give me the fastest work flow when using ebay's selling manager pro. I am getting great results (for my purpose anyway) with the bigger coins, however, small cents, dimes and 3c silvers etc are still a pain to get good photos. With the pennies being especially difficult to get the lighting right. |
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Glad to hear you've got a system in place you're happy with. I think, as good as the iPhone's camera is (and it's plainly the best-suited phone camera for coins), you're just reaching its' physical limits with the smaller coins. There are bespoke macro lens attachments for iPhones which others have had good luck with.
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