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 Posted 12/19/2013  8:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zxcccxz to your friends list
to CCF! Need better pictures to help you.
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 Posted 12/19/2013  8:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fuzzy317 to your friends list
Since you have changed the pictures.

The first one almost looks like a coin from Finland.
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 Posted 12/19/2013  9:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list
What I think we're seeing in the first pic is a chalice (radiant), with the round communion wafer (the host) above it, surmounted by the letters IHS. Such medals are given to Catholic children at their first communion. A sharper image of the first pic might allow the writing around the edge to give us more specifics.
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 Posted 12/19/2013  9:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add l5ll5ll5l to your friends list
To philadelphian, I do believe it says first communion on it, so it is a medal?
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 Posted 12/19/2013  9:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NJ Bob to your friends list

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The first one almost looks like a coin from Finland.


It's not like any Finnish coin I've ever seen.
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It's not like any Finnish coin I've ever seen.

My comment was back when the pictures were blurry and it the chalice looked a little like the eagle with wings spread on many Finland coins. With the better pictures (3rd set), I agree it doesn't look like a Finnish coin.
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 Posted 12/19/2013  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NJ Bob to your friends list
Finnish coins usually have a lion trampling on a curved sword (representing the East) and holding a straight sword (representing the West).

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 Posted 12/20/2013  01:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list

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To philadelphian, I do believe it says first communion on it, so it is a medal?

Yes. Religious medals are very difficult to date, since they've been making them for hundreds of years with more or less the same design.
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 Posted 12/20/2013  6:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Circus to your friends list
I'm no expert or even a collector of them but I believe as stated that it is a communion coin. Were so popular in parts of PA that I think I have seen a book or two written on them. "COMMUNION TOKENS of ALLEGHENY COUNTY PENNSYLVANIA, Culleiton. A wealth of information on the churches, issuers. Soft-Bound 2004, 102p. Detailed descriptions, Historical Notes"
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 Posted 12/20/2013  9:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fuzzy317 to your friends list
since this has apparently been identified, moving this to the Tokens, Medals, and other Exonumia section
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 Posted 12/22/2013  3:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NJ Bob to your friends list

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My comment was back when the pictures were blurry and it the chalice looked a little like the eagle with wings spread on many Finland coins.


Fuzzy317, I was wrong and you were right. I was thinking of Finnish coins issued after Finland gained their independence. Coins issue prior to that did indeed look very much like the medal.



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Communion tokens.
I associate them with Scotland, and would appreciate clarification.
Other countries as well?
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I did misspeak when I called these Catholic. They are particularly Presbyterian, first proposed by Calvin in 1560. Though I think this one has more in common with more modern, Catholic first communion tokens.
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matthewvincent Communion tokens.
I associate them with Scotland, and would appreciate clarification.
Other countries as well?



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I'm no expert or even a collector of them but I believe as stated that it is a communion coin. Were so popular in parts of PA that I think I have seen a book or two written on them. "COMMUNION TOKENS of ALLEGHENY COUNTY PENNSYLVANIA, Culleiton. A wealth of information on the churches, issuers. Soft-Bound 2004, 102p. Detailed descriptions, Historical Notes"
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 Posted 12/23/2013  02:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
There is a difference between "communion medals", such as this piece, and "communion tokens" such as those in the book mentioned by Circus.

Communion medals were and still are given, particularly in the Catholic and High Church Anglican/Episcopalian traditions, when a child/young adult partakes in their First Communion ceremony. As far as I am aware they serve no particular purpose or function within the church, other than as a reminder to that young person of their new status as a Communicant.

Communion tokens, in the Presbyterian sense of the word, served a very different purpose. These churches traditionally observe "closed communion" - only certified members of the church may partake. In order to ensure no trespassers intruded upon the communion service (which happens two or three times a year), the practise arose back in the 1600s of distributing communion tokens prior to the service. The distribution was done by the minister, who might ask questions regarding the member's spiritual state before deeming them worthy or not of taking part. Anybody turning up without a token would be refused entry.

Early communion tokens were pretty crude: usually just a small piece of lead, stamped with the initials of the minister or the church. Later tokens from the 1800s were more elaborate, often with pictures of the church, the communion table and the relevant Bible verses.

Communion tokens are known not just from Scotland where they originated, but everywhere the Scottish church spread to - including Canada, America, Australia and New Zealand.
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