2014 Silver Eagles

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With all due respect, what I typed was my OPINION and I presented it as such. I am perfectly entitled to it no matter what you think. In my experience ANACS routinely over grades compared to PCGS and NGC. As always, buy the coin not the slab but some slabs are more trustworthy than other IN MY OPINION. So thank you for calling me out but your comment did nothing to change my OPINION.

I am not trying to cause trouble here but nothing irritates me more than when members tell other members on here that their OPINIONS aren't valid. It is one thing when people try to pass off their OPINION as gospel but that isn't what I did. In my opinion ANACS is a second-tier TPG.

merc, you said




This was in response to Denco's statement...




Nowhere in any of that is there any discussion at all of whether ANACS grades on the same scale as PCGS or NGC. You made a statement based on the discussion at hand of preselling and the like. I refuted that. Simple. Now, if you want to discuss the supposed superiority of PCGS and NGC, we can beat the heck out of that horse some more if you like. But not what were discussing here at all.




OK, you know what irritates me? When people make a statement attacking the integrity of a person or business and then couch that in "I am allowed to have my opinion". And I DO think your opinion is not valid. But thats just MY opinion.




It had EVERYTHING to do with pre sales. You went on about the coins sold that he did not even have. That would be, by definition, pre sales.




Ummm, so what? They are going to slab the coins. That is a fact. Same for the other TPGs.

Next fact. For the last at least ten years, ANACS and the others have slabbed and graded ASEs with a certain percentage over that time grading at MS70.

So given that, what difference does it make that they said we will do a special numbered label for you for the first 16,589 that grade MS70. This is NOT an issue if the average for the last ten year has been 20,000 of them. And I do not see them agreeing to that number unless it was a good bit below the average number.




Great question! IT APPLIES TO ALL OF THEM. PCGS and NGC are pre selling as well. They are pre selling as many IF NOT MORE than ANACS. It doesn't mean a darn thing if theirs are numbered or not. If they can not meet thewir pre sales, they are in the exact same boat. So the same answer you would give to defend PCGS and NGC applies to ANACS.

ANACS and PCGS and NGC all have to answer to their buyers. If you are so naive as to believe PCGS and NGC do not have the exact same type of agreements with Coin Vault, Modern Coin Mart, APMEX and all of their large customers, I have a bridge to sell you. Here is what they do.

They release a statement saying the quality of the bullion ASEs for 2014 was severely below the standards of years past and not nearly the number of coins graded at MS70. Then APMEX, Modern Coin Mart and everyone else who pre sold now have to refund the money. And it does not matter one whit whether those are numbered or not.

And you keep going on about they make it seem as if they already have the coins. I saw the same sale. He said it was a pre sale. They ALL say it is a pre sale. I have never seen any of them not say it was a pre sale.




OK, right. So you want us all to believe that PCGS and NGC do NOT have agreements with their big customers? That these big companies are pre selling PGCS and NGC coins exactly the same as ANACS, but with no agreements in place? REALLY? Come on now, as I said, you can NOT be that naive. If this is all based in your fixation on them numbering some slabs, then you really are missing the realities here.

Basebal, if you are going on a TPG trashing a coin one time then put PCGS as a basement slabber too because they have done the same. No different.

Again, you take the numbering of the coins as some indicator of nefarious dealings. You are all doing that because of your prejudice against ANACS. At the same time you are sticking your heads in the sand as to the practices PCGS and NGC have. As I said to denco and will say to you sir, I cannot believe you are so naive as to think PCGS and NGC dont have deals with the big boys they deal with.

It wasn't a pre-sale deal but PCGS did some "X of XXX" numbering for some submitters of WTC recovered coins. And both NGC and PCGS have been perfectly happy to produce all kind of special novelty labels for large submitters on request.

Ive never seen PCGS try and clean the toning off a coin, I have seen ANACS do that. As I said theres a reason why the market has them as a 2nd rate company and the gap is growing.

The old white holders their reputation was built off of, thats not them anymore. Once the company was sold last time around they hired all the ICG graders and moved to Colorado.




Ive been critical of the APPEARANCE of their HSN relationship long before I lost all respect for their yellow slabs. ANACS modern coins have exactly one market which is HSN. They could just let HSN grade the coins themselves and put in it their holders and it really doesn't matter in all honesty, their premiums are miniscule.

Hence I said the APPEARANCE comes from it. The big difference between them and PCGS and NGC relationship is how many of those relationships exists. PCGS and NGC have countless places preselling their stuff, which means no one has leverage. Of course big submitters get special rates and their stuff skips the waiting line ect, but if one of them threatened to stop because the didnt like the grading it wouldnt matter to PCGS or NGC.

ANACS on the other hand has exactly 1 place I know of that bothers to even sell their modern coins which is HSN. A single relationship like that gives HSN a lot of leverage which gives the APPEARANCE to a lot of people that the check book is dictating grades.

It does look bad to only have one place selling your moderns much less preselling, in the end though it honestly doesn't matter with such a barren market for them.

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