2014 Silver Eagles

I cannot speak for the 2014 releases, but the 1964 dated coins minted in 1965 (as well as the 1965 coins minted in 1966, and 1966 coins minted in 1967) were allowed by the Coinage Act of 1965.

Couple things here. Quit slamming ANACS. They ALL do it. PCGS, NGC and ICG as well. You can pre purchase them from virtually anywahere. Go check places like APMEX and other "respected" dealers. They do it as well. Here is how and why.

For sake of argument, lets say HSN orders 1000 monster boxes a year. If memory serves there are 500 ASEs in a box (please correct me if I am mistaken there). Thats 500,000 ASEs to be graded. They have been doing this for a loooong time. They know that a certain percentage have come back as 69 and a certain percentage as 70. Lets say the percentage of 70s is 30%. That is 150,000 coins. To be safe, we wont sell that many just in case. So we will count on 25% being 70 and if it turns out to be 30% or better, then we have that many extra to sell over the course of the year.

As for printing the labels. Of course they print them ahead of time. They would be fools not to. You have that many coins coming in for grading and you KNOW you are going to be slabbing around a certain percentage then you print those labels up. Only a moron would have his grading service print the labels for the coins as they were graded. That would be a ridiculous waste of time.

As I said, ALL OF THE TPGs do this. And EVERY large dealer of the ASEs pre sells. The mint made something on the order of 50 million bullion ASEs last year. I am pretty sure they will make enough this year to cover whatever HSN and the rest of them sell. Not to mention they HAVE been minted. As conder pointed out, the mint has done it like this for a very long time.

So merc, you need to change your statement to say ANY slabbed coins may as well be ungraded because all four do it. And to make it easy for you to check my facts, here is a link to APMEX.. http://www.apmex.com/category/1659/...rican-eagles

Wow, look at that. PCGS and NGC graded MS70 2014 Eagles. They even have bulk discounts!

I could put up a lot more links to places like Modern Coin Mart and what not, but I won't. My point stands.

The criticism of ANACS is off base. The criticism of pre selling is off base.

Bama, the 23rd is the release date on the proofs. I would imagine they will be pre selling next week once they are done with the bullion coins.

Whoa... Is that really $9.96 shipping cost?

With all due respect, what I typed was my OPINION and I presented it as such. I am perfectly entitled to it no matter what you think. In my experience ANACS routinely over grades compared to PCGS and NGC. As always, buy the coin not the slab but some slabs are more trustworthy than other IN MY OPINION. So thank you for calling me out but your comment did nothing to change my OPINION.

I am not trying to cause trouble here but nothing irritates me more than when members tell other members on here that their OPINIONS aren't valid. It is one thing when people try to pass off their OPINION as gospel but that isn't what I did. In my opinion ANACS is a second-tier TPG.

merc, you said




This was in response to Denco's statement...




Nowhere in any of that is there any discussion at all of whether ANACS grades on the same scale as PCGS or NGC. You made a statement based on the discussion at hand of preselling and the like. I refuted that. Simple. Now, if you want to discuss the supposed superiority of PCGS and NGC, we can beat the heck out of that horse some more if you like. But not what were discussing here at all.




OK, you know what irritates me? When people make a statement attacking the integrity of a person or business and then couch that in "I am allowed to have my opinion". And I DO think your opinion is not valid. But thats just MY opinion.




It had EVERYTHING to do with pre sales. You went on about the coins sold that he did not even have. That would be, by definition, pre sales.




Ummm, so what? They are going to slab the coins. That is a fact. Same for the other TPGs.

Next fact. For the last at least ten years, ANACS and the others have slabbed and graded ASEs with a certain percentage over that time grading at MS70.

So given that, what difference does it make that they said we will do a special numbered label for you for the first 16,589 that grade MS70. This is NOT an issue if the average for the last ten year has been 20,000 of them. And I do not see them agreeing to that number unless it was a good bit below the average number.




Great question! IT APPLIES TO ALL OF THEM. PCGS and NGC are pre selling as well. They are pre selling as many IF NOT MORE than ANACS. It doesn't mean a darn thing if theirs are numbered or not. If they can not meet thewir pre sales, they are in the exact same boat. So the same answer you would give to defend PCGS and NGC applies to ANACS.

ANACS and PCGS and NGC all have to answer to their buyers. If you are so naive as to believe PCGS and NGC do not have the exact same type of agreements with Coin Vault, Modern Coin Mart, APMEX and all of their large customers, I have a bridge to sell you. Here is what they do.

They release a statement saying the quality of the bullion ASEs for 2014 was severely below the standards of years past and not nearly the number of coins graded at MS70. Then APMEX, Modern Coin Mart and everyone else who pre sold now have to refund the money. And it does not matter one whit whether those are numbered or not.

And you keep going on about they make it seem as if they already have the coins. I saw the same sale. He said it was a pre sale. They ALL say it is a pre sale. I have never seen any of them not say it was a pre sale.




OK, right. So you want us all to believe that PCGS and NGC do NOT have agreements with their big customers? That these big companies are pre selling PGCS and NGC coins exactly the same as ANACS, but with no agreements in place? REALLY? Come on now, as I said, you can NOT be that naive. If this is all based in your fixation on them numbering some slabs, then you really are missing the realities here.

Basebal, if you are going on a TPG trashing a coin one time then put PCGS as a basement slabber too because they have done the same. No different.

Again, you take the numbering of the coins as some indicator of nefarious dealings. You are all doing that because of your prejudice against ANACS. At the same time you are sticking your heads in the sand as to the practices PCGS and NGC have. As I said to denco and will say to you sir, I cannot believe you are so naive as to think PCGS and NGC dont have deals with the big boys they deal with.