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1951 Lincoln Wheat Cent - Clipped

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 Posted 01/10/2014  2:01 pm  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list
The Blakesley Effect does look a bit hammered.
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 Posted 01/10/2014  2:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCbass to your friends list
Wow. I thought this was a sure thing. looked like blakesly effect directly opposite. I will get better pics back up and repost. I was in hurry and figured it was a slam dunk so when the pics weren't the best (and I was at work and not on my mac to clean up the photos) I just posted them.
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 Posted 01/10/2014  7:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add albertharris to your friends list
Clips usually aren't worth much, so why try to fake it. The coins circulated, it's got PMD on the clip, so I'm going to say from the photos it's a real clip.
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 Posted 01/10/2014  7:20 pm  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list
Blow the pic of the reverse up and you'll see hammer marks quite clearly where the Blakesly effect should be. At least that's what it looks like to me.
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 Posted 01/11/2014  07:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCbass to your friends list
I think the same way Albertharris did - why try and fake a clip. its worth 5$ at the most.

That being said, I am obviously deferring to all experts on this and am uploading 5 new pics. check top of post. I added them there.
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 Posted 01/11/2014  07:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCbass to your friends list
ignore previous post. would not let me edit topic. Hope the new pictures help. It seems there is some disagreement. I just want to make sure I have it right. Thanks all.

ps - doesn't it appear that the "O" in one gets slightly weaker closer to the clip?

NEW PICS BELOW AS REQUESTED:



1951-Lincoln-Wheat-Cent---Clipped

1951-Lincoln-Wheat-Cent---Clipped

1951-Lincoln-Wheat-Cent---Clipped

1951-Lincoln-Wheat-Cent---Clipped

1951-Lincoln-Wheat-Cent---Clipped
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 Posted 01/11/2014  08:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
With the new pics I am on the fence now. The edge looks all wrong but the O in ONE looks weaker closer to the clip so..
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 Posted 01/11/2014  08:22 am  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list
People fake these all the time. Go on ebay and look.
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 Posted 01/11/2014  10:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCbass to your friends list
But why bother (rhetorical question)? It's not worth the effort. And this was found from a garage sale lot - so if it was faked it was done years ago I would think. I guess the jury is still out.
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 Posted 01/12/2014  05:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCbass to your friends list
Bump.

Should it stay or should it go? Thanks.
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 Posted 01/12/2014  11:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
The first image of the second set of images: Is this the area in question for a incomplete planchet, or that area where the Blakesley affect? If it is the Blakesley affect, it is a fake. Just the rim area should be affected, not the whole planchet.
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 Posted 01/12/2014  11:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCbass to your friends list
Should be the area of the clip. Will confirm at home, but I think that is the clip area
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 Posted 01/12/2014  2:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCbass to your friends list
it is of the clip area. if there is this much question about it at this point, I will probably throw it back unless we get a for sure ID. Thanks.
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 Posted 01/12/2014  4:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ErrorCoins222 to your friends list
Don't throw it back. Though damaged, it's genuine error - and a much more interesting one than has previously been suggested.

I propose that this is a double clip, with a close overlap.

Firstly, the shape and rounding of the design rim around the clip(s) is correct. The obverse also has the correct metal flow towards the clip(s) as does the reverse though it may be a little disfigured.

The Blakesley effect is hard to fake. Usually a faked Blakesley effect will show strong grinding marks - this example does not.

Now to why I think it's a double clip, and why others thought it looked strange. Notice how in the middle of the abnormally long "clip" it comes to a point. This is the tell-tale sign that it is two overlapped clips. It would be too large for a normal clip, and too abnormal for a small straight clip. If confirmed, it would be a very rare error. Overlapped clips don't occur very often, and when they do they go for strong prices (for clips).
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 Posted 01/13/2014  11:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCbass to your friends list
I am going to send this coin to my dad to look at as well in person. he has some good knowledge of ocins and errors.
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