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Someone's figured out how to AT a coin already inside a holder?
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Quote: Someone's figured out how to AT a coin already inside a holder?
Yes, but that is a very difficult task and not in play here. This coin was most certainly AT'ed before encapsulation but NGC simply could not fit it on the label in addition to the cleaning notation.
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Quote: This coin was most certainly AT'ed before encapsulation but NGC simply could not fit it on the label in addition to the cleaning notation. I was thinking the cleaning chemicals may have reacted afterwards, or something was done to reactivate them after being slabbed, I doubt a coin like this would get slabbed without at least a mention of questionable color. Not that it's questionable, it's absolutely AT. Then I went to NGC to look up the slab and they imaged it already colored like it is, it is a lot darker than represented on ebay, looks like a Photoshop job of boosting the saturation of colors and lighten filter applied liberally. http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/i...=2541505-001
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Edited by westcoin 01/15/2014 2:05 pm
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I've seen some beautiful toning, but that coins looks like it was shot into the head of an alien with neon glow-in-the-dark blood, and left there for a hundred years, then dug up on a Fox alien autopsy.
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Quote: I doubt a coin like this would get slabbed without at least a mention of questionable color. Not that it's questionable, it's absolutely AT. It should be mentioned but there is no room in the label formatting for two lengthy problem descriptors. NGC had to choose between IMPROPERLY CLEANED and ARTIFICIAL TONING and IMO they chose the wrong one to list. I searched through the Heritage Archives for problem Morgans in NGC slabs and very very few listed two problems and the ones that did were short descriptors, i.e. TOOLED, DAMAGED.
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U - G - L - Y and you ain't got no alibi, you ugly what what you ugly
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Wow. Definately looks like it's been heated
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Quote: I will never understand why people clean coins. 
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improperly cleaned...
isn't that an oxymoron full of redundancy! Like my favorite peeve - "and also"
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Is there such a thing as "properly cleaned"? Or would that be synonymous with "conserved"?
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I can see improperly cleaned in ancients.
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Quote: Is there such a thing as "properly cleaned"? Or would that be synonymous with "conserved"? If the TPG does it for a fee, it's conservation. If someone else does it, it gets a details slab. 
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So, if I were to break a "conserved" coin out of its slab and resubmit it, do you suppose it might get called improperly cleaned?
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Quote: So, if I were to break a "conserved" coin out of its slab and resubmit it, do you suppose it might get called improperly cleaned?
No firm answer for that either way. A "conserved" coin might end up in a regular slab, the TPG doing the work having deemed the result "market acceptable." So one which graduated the conservation process into a Details slab probably has obvious evidence which would put it right back into a Details slab if you resubmit.
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