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Did I Destroy This Coin's Value?

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 Posted 01/29/2014  09:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tatorbug to your friends list
I think I got it. Here is the "After" shot.

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 Posted 01/29/2014  09:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewvincent to your friends list
Make sure to give the second picture a different name. Otherwise, you will
replace the original.
Have you got the second photo under 100KB?
At times, the image uploader gets 'funky,' but waiting several minutes before
trying again usually does the trick.

As damage is already done document what steps you used.
Would make a great cautionary tale on the pitfalls of cleaning.

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 Posted 01/29/2014  10:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tatorbug to your friends list
"As a general rule,never clean a coin."

This I know, but since the surface was obscured, it didn't seem to be much of a choice anyhow. I have no intention of selling the coin, so it's value to me is more now than when I couldn't tell what it was.

Given the situation again, I'd probably check here first, and hope there was a suitable method to preserve a beautiful coin regardless of its numismatic value.

Thanks for the replies.

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 Posted 01/29/2014  10:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add allranger to your friends list
It looks like that coin got the gunk on parts of it and then the rest continued to tone. If you soak it in acetone and no more of the gunk or dirt comes off, I'd just let it be and it will eventually retone over a couple of years.

Luster can not be restored on a coin. Once it is removed it is gone. If the luster is covered you can use distilled water or acetone to remove the gunk. Fingernail polish is usually not recommended because it has other stuff in it.
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 Posted 01/29/2014  10:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
From the after imageI would say that whatever the gunk was it etched the surface of the coin. Unfortunately there is nothing that will restore those surfaces. The damage is done and can't be undone.
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 Posted 01/29/2014  11:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

Fingernail polish remover in many instances contains all kinds of Stuff. Women need or want it to smell nice so manufacturers add STUFF to make it smell nice. IF the one you used is like this, that haze may well be from the STUFF in the remover. It would not be worth your cost to go to a hardward type store and purchase pure Acetone just for that one coin. However, check the bottle of the one you used to see if it is labled as pure Acetone. If not, that haze may be from the Stuff in the remover. Not sure if you have any Distilled water at home, but you could try soaking that coin in that. If not, not expensive so next time at a standard grocery store, look for distilled water. Usually about one dollar a gallon.
As most have already said though, this coin is not a really valuable one so spending excessive time and money is good for experimenting but not much for a final result, money wise. As noted it is not a good idea to clean coins but from the first photo, looked like not much of a choice.
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 Posted 01/29/2014  11:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jerseyben to your friends list
"Never clean a coin"... Because leaving the crust covering it is so much better. A baffling attitude.

IMO, you did a great job on this coin. Next time use hardware store grade pure acetone and it will work even better. Good job.
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 Posted 01/29/2014  11:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list
I did a reply, which was quite long winded, but it didnt send, so heres a shortened version:

Heres an extreme version of a coin thats had an area protected that hasnt worn along with the coin. This is a coin, both pictures are the same coin:

Did-I-Destroy-This-Coin's-Value?
Did-I-Destroy-This-Coin's-Value?

I wont mention how this happened, I guess people could guess, but its one coin (not two stuck together) and its from a forum member. Its one of the only American coins I have floating about.
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 Posted 01/29/2014  12:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Henry M Smith to your friends list
I would have to say if you did not even know what you had, there was a problem before cleaning it. I would not say you damaged it, rather the person who encapsulated it the first time did. It is a similar situation to cleaning ancient coins, it simply had to be done, and the fingernail polish remover's acetone is one choice I might have tried. But, considering where you found it, you had no great loss of investment.
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 Posted 01/29/2014  1:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tatorbug to your friends list
"I would have to say if you did not even know what you had, there was a problem before cleaning it. I would not say you damaged it, rather the person who encapsulated it the first time did. It is a similar situation to cleaning ancient coins, it simply had to be done, and the fingernail polish remover's acetone is one choice I might have tried. But, considering where you found it, you had no great loss of investment."

What I didn't say in my original post was that my investment was miniscule.

The box also included, among other stuff, a couple of Case pocket knives, some old jewelery, a couple pieces of sterling silver, and a 1950's era Zippo lighter in new condition. I paid 5 bucks for the box, so the coin was just gravy anyhow. With my new intense interest in coin collecting, it was the most special.
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 Posted 01/29/2014  2:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Groszy to your friends list
In my honest opinion, when you encounter a coin that is **that** bad, with a bunch of gunk covering the entire coin and requiring you to "pick at it with [your] thumb nail until [you] could confirm" what it was, then you actually increased the coins value, rather than decreasing it as some have hinted. Sure, the luster has probably been removed, which lowers the value of a **normal** coin, but yours wasn't a normal coin in perfectly good condition that you decided to clean just for the heck of it.

I'd do the exact same thing in a heart beat. After all, almost no one will buy a coin if you can't even tell what it is, but there are a number of people who will buy a coin, cleaned (even harshly), and pay decently for it...just depends on the rarity of the coin. A quick glance at ebay shows you could probably get anywhere from 7-15 USD for it, especially since it's a full liberty IHC.
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 Posted 01/29/2014  3:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
Welcome to CC!

1) NEVER use nail polish remover on a coin. It can and usually does contain more than just acetone (usually ethyl acetate) and those can damage metals.
2) Buy yourself some pure acetone, hardware stores usually carry it.

You didn't "ruin" the coin. If you can't even tell what it is, it must be cleaned, otherwise it's a useless chunk of metal. However, you could have done a better job at removing the foreign substance. Conservation techniques are best learned by experience, consider this your first lesson.

In general, you want to soak using what I have coined the "polarity ladder". For example, soak in order of decreasing solvent polarity (about 30 minutes each to start):

1) distilled water
2) acetone
3) xylene
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 Posted 01/29/2014  3:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nalaberong to your friends list
In these cases... "Did I destroy this coin's value?"... What value?

This used to be an ugly glob and now it's a discoloured penny, that's not a bad trade-off. When it comes to an exceptionally disgusting coin, I admit to going all-out on it with under-the-sink-type stuff. But for smaller defects, discolourations, and deposits... be more cautious and ask us for advice
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 Posted 01/30/2014  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list

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I admit to going all-out on it with under-the-sink-type stuff.


I do a good bit of penny brick searching - this is simply a required method with many coins. It works surprisingly well. I use as hot of running water as I can stand and remove gunk with my fingers and sometimes a bit of liquid detergent soap. With these kinds of coins there are two choices - junk pile or a quick sink cleaning. Obviously, I prefer to see what I have before I toss it in the return to bank pile.
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 Posted 01/30/2014  12:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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The box also included, among other stuff, a couple of Case pocket knives, some old jewelery, a couple pieces of sterling silver, and a 1950's era Zippo lighter in new condition. I paid 5 bucks for the box, so the coin was just gravy anyhow. With my new intense interest in coin collecting, it was the most special.

I'd say the Zippo was the gravy. Those are highly collectible as well and that lighter is probably worth well more than the Indian Head cent.
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