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To Reserve Or Not To Reserve..that Is The ?

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 Posted 07/17/2007  12:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list
CEO of ebay.

She's sitting in her hot tub right now sipping champagne thinking what a great idea (for her) reserves where.
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 Posted 07/17/2007  1:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dan8402 to your friends list
I don't like to bid on auctions with a reserve. If I see one, I will usually just keep looking.
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 Posted 07/17/2007  1:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubled_die to your friends list
I understand the buyers perspective, but I too have lost my shirt on .99 cent auctions on ebay. I'm actually just now trying to make all my auctions with starting bids that cover my breakeven. I think thats fair, but of course a potential buyer will have to take my word for it and it will probably be a rare occurance when they do.

Buyers have to understand though that there is so much material, especially common date and grade stuff, being offered on ebay that its hard to get the necessary attention to turn any profit on ebay. This goes double for true low margin dealers. And selling is expensive. You have to cover aquisition cost, selling cost and overhead. Most ebay buyers just have the attitude of naming their own price.

I'm trying to save common type coins as I buy them just to offer as a lot to better cover selling costs. I've tryed to compensate with extending my return policy, but we'll see. I've got a nice Morgan out right now where the starting bid is half of Red Book but no watchers yet. Its under seller not_enough_time_to_play. Do you think a start at half RBV is too high to attract even one bidder?
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 Posted 07/17/2007  2:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list
The title is your problem. You get 55 characters, you used 40...

How many people a day do you think search Morgan Dollar?

You missed them all.

How many people a day do you think put silver in their search?

You missed them all.

Thousands upon thousands upon thousands upon thousands upon thousands.... search coin (that's what you're selling isn't it... a coin?)

You missed them all.

But at least you'll get all the people that search - and and.

US Coin 1885 O Morgan silver dollar ICG MS65 Toned

You'll get at least 5 times more hits.
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 Posted 07/17/2007  2:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list
Double_Die I can empathize, but if you maintain a cavalier attitude about buyers wants/desires, you are destined for disappointment on ebay. I have virtually lived there over the past four years watching Seated coin auctions and occasionally others. Older, desirable coins (in virtually any condition) and bullion do well, some final bids are downright ridiculous.

Moderns (1964 to present) have so much competition that it's hard to separate the wheat from the chaff. High-end errors, PCGS-70 and NGC-70 slabs, and outrageously toned coins are the exception.

I would like the link to your Morgan, so that I could give my personal assessment of the presentation and offer suggestions ... I may even want to place a bid!
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 Posted 07/17/2007  3:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list
Double_Die,

I found the coin with Bobby's clues and noticed you revised your description to include those "key words" ... good idea. My only issue about the listing is the photo doesn't offer me the ability to judge for myself. I do trust ICG for 19th century coinage, but I can't see the nice toning and I definitely want a look at the reverse. Without these I would have moved on to other listings with your starting bid set where it is.
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 Posted 07/17/2007  3:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubled_die to your friends list
Bobby & SeatedNut,

Good advice. I think your going back to the idea that the majority of buyers are looking for specific denominations or dates and in turn search based on those keywords. I've never put a lot of thought into the keyword thing because I believed that the majority of ebay buyers were just searching out the deals, and made distinctions only between truly rare old coin types and less valuable modern stuff. I figured the majority was sitting there looking at what was ending in the next 30 minutes, watching each item pass sniping .99 start auctions that were undervalued. That's where I was hoping they'd notice mine that lists both the RBV in the subtitle line and starting bid at half the RBV. I was hoping they'd realize getting something for half its value is a good deal and thus bid. I'll let you know how it goes.
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 Posted 07/17/2007  3:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list
quote:
I think your going back to the idea that the majority of buyers are looking for specific denominations or dates and in turn search based on those keywords.


OK.... 1885 O Morgan Dollar or 1885 O Silver Dollar.... Both pretty specific.... Where's yours? Trust me, you're missing a ton of views. (every bid starts with a view)

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I figured the majority was sitting there looking at what was ending in the next 30 minutes, watching each item pass sniping .99 start auctions that were undervalued.

Only 10.7% of our last weeks auction hits (roughly 15,000) have been browsing. As you can see searching at least triples browsing. I would actually say it's more like quintuples since most of the "direct links" shown were probably originally "searchers".

Click to enlarge:
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 Posted 07/17/2007  3:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list
Double_Die,

I do exactly that for Seated pieces, Barbers, and WL halves ... but there are too many Morgans ... it makes me dizzy. I go there and sit about once a week, but only last about an hour. Guess I'm gettin' too old!
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 Posted 07/17/2007  3:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubled_die to your friends list
Bobby

That software image you included, is that from having an ebay store? Just curious. I had always just thought it was another route for them to get the sellers money and not a cost effective way to sell. I've never really researched it though.

At any rate, thanks for the info. It's definitely useful.
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 Posted 07/17/2007  4:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list
It's from Sellathon.
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 Posted 07/17/2007  4:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tnwalker10 to your friends list
From a buyer's perspective, when I first started on ebay, I was high bidder on several items that didn't meet reserve. Also I marked a few things so I could go back and see what the winning bid was. Quite often reserves were never met. This turned me against listings with a reserve. Now on items with a reserve I don't even bother to look, much less bid. However, if I'm searching for something specific and it has a reasonable buy it now price I will buy it.
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 Posted 07/17/2007  4:37 pm  Show Profile   Check GO's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GO to your friends list
How does one go about getting that pretty little graph?
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 Posted 07/18/2007  9:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basicbob101 to your friends list
Well I just unloaded a lot of bu rolls of State Quarters at less than face value, true my opening bid was $9.99 which is only .01 off, but with listing added to it x 20 rolls (2000-2005) it certainly didn't pay. plus a P & D Virgina Mint wrapped set in collector boxes for $25 for both rolls, can't find bank wrapped rolls on ebay for that. ASE proofs for less than cost, however items with reservere paid well and only one didn't sell.

I too agree that the key words are the key to any auction. If you miss it there you might as well not list it.
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 Posted 07/22/2007  11:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add USArmyParatrooper to your friends list
I don't know why so many people make such a big deal about "Reserve Not Met". If it's a coin I'm interested in I'll put it on my watch list. I usually don't bid until the very last seconds anyway. By that time I can simply bid the most I'd be happy with, and if I don't win who cares? I move on to the next coin.

That's why I don't know why it's such a psychological killer. Bid a price you're happy with, and if the reserve isn't met move on.
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