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IHC Grading Game--Results!

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 Posted 03/10/2014  11:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsearcher83 to your friends list
1. G6, details
2. VG10, details
3. VG10
4. G6
5. G6
6. VG8
7. G6
8. VF20
9. VF20
10. F15
11. G6
12. VF20
13. VF30
14. VF35

Based on the other guesses, I'm either really conservative or horribly lost..
Edited by coinsearcher83
03/10/2014 11:37 am
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 Posted 03/10/2014  11:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paddy murphy to your friends list
I must be a hard grader because I don't see an AU in the bunch. although 13 comes close...

1. AG-3
2. VG-10
3. F-12
4. G-4
5. AG-3
6. F-12
7. VG-8
8. EF-40
9. VF-30
10. VF-30
11. VG-8
12. EF-40
13. EF-45
14. EF-45
Edited by paddy murphy
03/10/2014 11:43 am
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 Posted 03/10/2014  12:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bpoc1 to your friends list
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from DV who started the op

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Just an update--none of the coins pictured above got details grades.
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 Posted 03/10/2014  2:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jpbone to your friends list
TPG grade/my grade.


1. VG-8/G-6
2. F-15/F-12
3.F-12/fF-12
4. G-6/G-4
5. G-6/G-6
6. F-12/F-12
7. VG-10/VG8
8. EF-40/EF -40
9. EF-45/EF-45
10. VF -35/VF-30
11. VG-8/VG-8
12. EF-40/EF -40
13. AU-53/AU-53
14. EF-45/EF-45

I believe #13 gets an AU because I'm seeing the weakness in the ribbon as strike related. To me, it really depends heavily which TPG we are up against.
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 Posted 03/10/2014  2:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list

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I've had (non key date) coins come back, with less damage on them than the ones I labeled as detailed
Yeah--that would sure be frustrating! A few of these struck me as details-grade as well--I like coins with even wear.

So I picked coins w/pictures detailed enough to grade--I didn't single out problem coins. That said, some probably look different in-hand--at lot of my IHCs do! Overall, I trust my fellow CCF members grades more than many as slabbed--especially #8 with the CAC sticker! I've posted the TPGs grades next to the coins.

Here are my grades. I gave a few net grades due to issues I see.

1. VG8--too many marks!
2. F12 details--big scratch
3. F15
4. AG3 Just not enough rim/legends to make G4
5. G4
6. F15
7. F12 toughie to grade
8. EF40 not enough detail in ribbon curls for AU--scratches on cheek.
9. VF35
10. VF25
11. VG8 just barely
12. EF45 probably better in-hand
13. EF45 held back by strike
14. EF45
Edited by DVCollector
03/10/2014 2:51 pm
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 Posted 03/10/2014  3:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bpoc1 to your friends list
DV, thank you again! This is one of the best post for learning about grading. You provided the pics and Rick Snow's grading guide then, you gave the TPG grade. I just downloaded his printout last week.
I'm still learning, ( I'm to embarrassed to post) and did not but did it at home.
This is great you did this. A learning experience.
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 Posted 03/10/2014  3:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list
This was a great exercise! Not at all surprised that my grading was below the TPG's. PCGS should be embarrassed by #2....imo.
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 Posted 03/10/2014  4:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
And I really don't understand the CAC sticker on #8 "AU58" Wear/strike/scratches--I just don't see it.
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 Posted 03/10/2014  4:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add beaglebailey to your friends list
I didn't get my grades in before the results were posted, but when I compared mine to the TPG's, their grades were higher on 12 of the 14 coins (some considerably higher) and the same for other 2. I don't consider myself an expert grader, but I do follow Snow's guide and I am usually in the ballpark when IHC & FE are posted in the grading forum. This grading exercise was an eye opener for me.
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 Posted 03/10/2014  4:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
Yeah--this exercise was an eye-opener to me too--keeps me on my toes.
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You provided the pics and Rick Snow's grading guide then, you gave the TPG grade.
Grading should be straightforward; I tried to keep this as objective as possible.
Edited by DVCollector
03/10/2014 5:07 pm
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 Posted 03/11/2014  12:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list
Well that was sure interesting, take away my details grades I didn't do too badly, the Goods I went a touch higher as TPG's tend to go on the key dates. I was really torn on the one I called MS as I thought maybe, just maybe it might make it due to luster less the hits and ticks, not even close there!

Thanks for this little reality check! Shows how varied even the TPGs can be. Are most of these in newer holders?
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 Posted 03/11/2014  12:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list

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Shows how varied even the TPGs can be. Are most of these in newer holders?
Yeah--it was a good reality-check for me too. I pulled these 'off-the-top' from Heritage. Mostly newer auctions/holders because the pictures are larger and better.
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 Posted 03/11/2014  11:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paddy murphy to your friends list
I'm blown away on #8 and #1. #8 has clear wear on ribbon, hair above ear and below ribbon. I guess they liked the strike on the feathers?

On the bright side, my 1877 IHC will now definitely be sent in for grading. According to the old ANA book I used back in the day I graded mine VG. Using these standards I might get VF.



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 Posted 03/11/2014  12:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add beaglebailey to your friends list
F-12, maybe F-15. I don't see it going to VF, but who knows after seeing the results of the grading game.
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 Posted 03/11/2014  1:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
By my grading standards, that one is at least F12
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