Fake Bars For Silver Money

1---Re: "Even if they declare the items as copies its still against ebay rules, counterfeit goods are Not Allowed and its also against the copyright rules"---I'm surprised
by that. The copies and plated crap are so common in ebay and ebay is sooooooo slooooow about removing those offerings even when multiple people complain
about them, I hadn't thought it was against their "rules." They behave as though it wasn't against their rules and as if they resent having to remove such offerings---
and that's with straight-up counterfeits that are being offered as the real thing.

2---Re: "Thanks Fat Freddy for the information. On a side note. I do feel guilty about calling you "Fat Freddy." You have posted a number of informative post and wonder
why you chose this forum name?"--- Thanks for the thought about my posts, but don't feel awkward about the name. The original Fat Freddy was a cartoon character in
the 1960's-1970's "underground comix". See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fa...eak_Brothers and https://ripoffpress.com/categories/...eak-brothers Fat Freddy was my
goofy counterculture hero back then.

He's trying to deceive buyers with the title of his offering. He's offering silver plated bars--not silver bars--and yet he titles his offering "Silver Bars."

The text in the offering makes it clear that the bars are plated copies and it also makes it just as clear that returns won't be accepted. It's obvious this character is
trolling for prospective buyers who don't pay enough attention to what they're doing and don't thoroughly read the product description. I don't see any other reason
why he'd refuse to take returns. He may or may not be within the laughable limits of so-called " ebay ethics" but the deceptive title of his offering is pushing the
envelope of a bait+switch and is deliberately misleading. If he had one shred of integrity, he'd list those things as what they are---plated silver bar copies.

This character is a dealer. He has 81 sold listings which include plated counterfeit bars, ASEs, ASE sets, proof sets and tubes, Morgan and Peace dollars, CMLs,
albums, gold sovereigns, Engelhard PT bars and--most curious of all--Peace dollars with no pictures of the items. He has 6 sold listings of a total of 240 counterfeit
"silver bars" and presently has 4 open listings of another 40 plated counterfeit "silver bars."

So--I'm supposed to believe that a dealer is dumb enough to get scammed into buying 280 plated counterfeit bars. That's around a $6K buy at present spot. He might
be that dumb, but I've never met a dealer dumb enough to get scammed on a buy that big. The dealers I know examine what they buy and the bigger the buy is, the
more cautious they get.

This character is playing a deceptive, shady game and his listing plated counterfeits as "Silver Bars" is deliberately misleading. IMO he's a perfect example of what's
wrong with ebay, why the phrase " ebay ethics" is a joke, why it's necessary to exercise extreme caution when buying through ebay.

with both Fat Freddy and Libertad, both of those arguments have merit. I suppose it all depends on how one looks at it, in Fat Freddy's de-fence I will say No Returns is kind of suspicious; cause we all have bid on something by not thoroughly reading the listing. I know that I have on occasion.

with both Fat Freddy and Libertad, both of those arguments have merit. I suppose it all depends on how one looks at it, in Fat Freddy's de-fence I will say No Returns is kind of suspicious; cause we all have bid on something by not thoroughly reading the listing. I know that I have on occasion.

Wow I have no idea how that happened. Me Bad for sure.

Oddly, at least five people put in bids of $200 or more, so it wasn't just two nincompoops running up an auction, as I've witnessed countless times.

I figure a person could have eventually won the legitimate product, with a bit of perseverance, for $20-30 more. It's just bizarre (but not so much if the buyer simply looked at the picture and placed a bid).

Of course the seller is scamming buyers, or he would have listed exactly what the buyer was getting in the initial heading, not just in the description. I know I've put in bids for silver coins, that I noticed last minute, without reading the description, or just giving it a cursory inspection.

With 996 silver coins or bars in my inventory, I've come to terms with the probability that, at minimum, five to ten percent of my total collection consists of silver-plated forgeries.

When I started collecting in 2008, I hadn't figured out yet that a good magnet can reveal most plated fakes. My one saving grace rests on the fact that I bought so many proofs with boxes and COAs. I can only assume (read: pray) that it's a little more challenging to make forgeries of those types of coins vs straight bullion (which, worriedly, makes up probably 30-35% of my total collection). Plus, I'm guessing the Chinese didn't starting mass-producing forgeries until the silver run up of 2011, when it would have been far more profitable doing so than when silver was selling for under $10 spot.

As far as the no-returns thing, there really is no such thing on ebay anymore. Buyer protection stipulates that anything the buyer doesn't like about the product, even if the buyer simply makes something up, is grounds for a return. The buyer may be stuck paying the return shipping, but that would be the only loss incurred, assuming the buyer studies the auction specifics a little more closely and realizes his/her costly mistake.

I see this seller now has no items for sale and has decided to make his feedback comments private (which means he can not sell while they are private)
Wonder if ebay did this while they look into his sales

BadtoTheBone agrees with both Fat Freddy and Libertad