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Pillar of the Community
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Here is an update to this thread...... I have found 2 more with the same lump on the cheek, both in MS63. I have searched a huge number of complete auctions at Heritage and have not seen any listed there. Seems to be pretty scarce. Now that I have three examples to send Rick, that will probably get done at the new year.    |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Cool that you found other examples--they all appear to be the same die due to date placement.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Wow, nice coins! Yeah, worth of attribution IMO just because it is so noticeable. My bet is that its a die chip or die damage; its not very digit like.
You have been waiting to get your coins back since at least April?!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'd also be interested to know if the other two have the Retained Cud. Thanks. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I think this obverse is paired with 2 different reverses. The ungraded, AU coin has a shattered reverse die. The Red/Brown coin has some die cracks by the shield, that neither of the others have.
All three show very heavily clashed reverse dies.
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Pillar of the Community
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Cool, let me know if you'd let one go.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Nice coins. If you have 4 of them though, might not be that scarce?
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Pillar of the Community
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Yes, I'll take one too !  Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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Valued Member
United States
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The reverse of this die pair strongly resembles the reverse that was paired with the plain 5 obverse during the Snow 10 die pair. Do you have any pictures of the three reverses paired with the fancy 5 obverse you posted on this topic?
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Pillar of the Community
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Here are some reverses from the two graded MS63RB and MS63BN. The first coin pictured is raw and it is the only one that shows the shattered die reverse. There is no hint of dies starting to break on the other examples.   |
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Pillar of the Community
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And I have since located one other example.....PCGS MS65RB. There are some scratches on all the slabs, sorry, havent had time to buff them out yet.   |
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Valued Member
United States
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The reverses you just posted indicate die rotation of 5 degrees during the clashing event with that obverse. These appear to be an early die state and were paired with this obverse after the cracked reverse. They are the same reverse as confirmed by the heavy die line or hub through connecting the right wreath with the shield. So, if the 'raw' coin reverse is a different die, then it would lack the die line connecting the shield with wreath. In addition, the raw reverse clash marks should be rotated further clockwise and with two sets of clash marks close together. 1865 Plain 5 Snow 10 reverse was rotated 17 degrees counter clockwise and clashed twice with that plain 5 obverse.
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Pillar of the Community
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Here are better pics of the raw coin. The die clashes on the reverse are bolder. There are also more of them in addition to the die crack.   |
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Valued Member
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Ok, that last picture rules out the 1865 plain 5 Snow 10 reverse thanks to the placement of the die clashes. I think that is the same reverse as the other two, but now in a later die state with a second die clashing event occurring during the proper coin turn alignment.
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Valued Member
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Actually, there were two die clashes in addition to the original. They are on either side of the original.
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