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1860 Gold Dollar

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 Posted 05/04/2014  4:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sok82 to your friends list
Thanks Cruisinfusion -- I assumed that was the answer, but just wanted to make sure. Any idea what the value/grading might be?
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 Posted 05/04/2014  4:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joseph7420 to your friends list
Looks AU-58 to me.
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 Posted 05/05/2014  11:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sok82 to your friends list
Thanks, Joseph7420 -- I took some better photos and hope to have them up during my lunch break.
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 Posted 05/05/2014  11:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
Do not clean or rub it. AU-55 for the grade.
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 Posted 05/05/2014  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Welcome to Coin Community, sok82.

In the context of Gold Dollars, it's not a particularly rare one - this is the Indian Princess (Large Head) design, and a large number of them boast year/mint mark mintages of less than 10,000. Yours is the 9th most-common of the 47 different issues of the type, which started in 1856. With that said, it's still a pricey little coin in the grand scheme of things, worth far more than just the gold content.

I could see AU55 as an appropriate grade for the coin, perhaps even better. Further, it seems relatively free of the scratches a soft metal like gold so easily accumulates, a big point in its' favor since superior eye appeal often adds value to a coin of a given grade. The downside to that is, sometimes that lack of scratching is the result of a deliberate act - cleaning or modifying the surfaces, which kills the value of the coin. Should liquidation of the coin be a goal, it must be submitted to a reputable third-party grader for authentication and evaluation of the surfaces. Of the TPG's, PCGS-encapsulated carry a substantial premium for this type, and would be my recommended destination for it. In a PCGS slab, a "righteous" AU55 example is probably a $400+ coin, but if cleaned or modified - and identified by PCGS as such - halve that value.
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 Posted 05/05/2014  1:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sok82 to your friends list
Thanks for the info, SsuperDdave!

I know for a fact that this coin was wrapped in a little piece of paper and left untouched for the last 60-70 years. If it was ever cleaned before that, I can't say, but I believe the lack of scratching to be due to it sitting untouched (and completely forgotten about) for a very, very long time.

I'll look into having it graded by PCGS. I think we'll probably hold onto it for a while :)
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 Posted 05/05/2014  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cruisinfusion to your friends list
I believe this coin has about a 40,000 mintage... I'll have to check my RedBook when I get home. I'm sure even fewer than that, a lot fewer than that, still survive. Pretty neat to have a coin with so few in existence.
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 Posted 05/05/2014  2:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MeadowviewCollector to your friends list
Original mintage was 36,514 according to PCGS Coinfacts


It also looks like it has a die clash on the reverse.


-MV
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05/05/2014 2:50 pm
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 Posted 05/05/2014  3:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list
Nice coin. Get it TPGd by PCGS and lock it up in your safe for another 50 years.

Some things aren't meant to be sold. This is one of them.
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 Posted 05/05/2014  5:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sok82 to your friends list
MeadowviewCollector - are you referring to the extra line on the right ribbon at the very bottom?

If it is a die clash error, is this something that would impact the value positively or negatively?
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 Posted 05/05/2014  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MeadowviewCollector to your friends list
The die clash I am seeing is from the left ribbon bow at an angle ending at the D in dollar.

Clashes aren't errors it happens when the two dies strike each other without a planchet in between them.

Die clashes are common on these and don't affect the value either way. I find them neat.

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 Posted 05/06/2014  05:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add flippy to your friends list
Au58
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 Posted 05/06/2014  6:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnny54321 to your friends list
I would need to get a better look at the luster, but I can see this coin receiving a mint state grade. Probably lower end, 61 to 63, as the spotting would hold it back. AU-58 at worst imho. These were often softly struck, so what by some have contrived to be wear, could easily be strike weakness. I have an NGC AU-58 example, and this one boasts much better detail than mine. Luster is key at this point in the grade of the coin. Can you take photos of the coin under a direct light?

Also, to note, this coin is heavily counterfeited....some to the point of using transfer dies with real gold. Not saying yours looks fake, just that it NEEDS authentication by a third party grader. The fact that it has a die clash bodes very well to the coin being real, so I think you are ok...but you still need it graded. It is a requirement if you ever sell it. btw, NICE COIN!!
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05/06/2014 6:08 pm
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 Posted 05/06/2014  10:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sok82 to your friends list
Here's an attempt with more direct light...had to take the pictures at an angle to keep myself from casting a shadow on the coin, so excuse the poor focus

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 Posted 05/07/2014  09:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sok82 to your friends list
Sorry -- one more rookie question. Should I bother having this graded if I plan on keeping it locked away for another 50 years? If so, should I work directly with the PCGS, or through a local coin shop associated with them?
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