1884-P Morgan VAM-2A Question

To get good close ups you need really good lighting. I place my coins up under a hanging light fixture and use the spiral white lights in the fixture.

Compare it to 8B. The nose clash line on the reverse looks similar.

I can see in your photos that the clash positions on your coin don't match up with the VAM 2A. The clashes have to be in the exact same position.

Check out the full coin photos on the bottom of the 2A page.

The 2A has a nice pronounced clashed E under the tail feathers. Do you see a clashed E under the tail feathers on your coin?

Do you see a clashed "n" infront of the neck under the wing clash line? Sometimes they are tough to see, tilt the coin at different angles and look at that area with an eye piece.

There are other places for clashed letters:

In the hair vee you can get "ust" clashes from the reverse "Trust". Most of the time you only see the "st" or "t" clash and they are usually fairly weak.

Above d in God on the reverse sometimes you can get an "e" clash from the obv. designer initials.

If there are no clashed letters on your coin then the clashes will not be listed in the VAM description. Any VAM could have a die state with clashes, they only get separated into new listing when there is letter transfer.

Check in front of the neck of Lady Liberty for an "n" clash. Then try and match up the position of the wing line clash coming out of the neck with one of the "n" clashes listed. I tried to find all of the clashed "n" VAMs and listed them above.

I am guessing what you have is one of VAMs I listed above, but, like I said, the clashes might not even be listed if there is no letter transfer.

The needles you are seeing coming out of the lips are actually clashes from the wreath on the reverse (which are considered non listed attributes).

Die cracks are another thing that are not listed attributes. When a die crack becomes thick enough it is considered a die break and is then listed.

This page helps explain a lot of what I just said in photos. I said the date is normal after 2 1/2 digits but, that is all subjective to the year and mm combination. Most of the time if the date position is not 3 denticles then it is normal. It is all explained on this page. http://www.vamworld.com/Attribution+101

Definitley not 2A, but could be another

You are a STINKIN Genius!

That's it. exactly that one.

I appreciate all of your participation and efforts. I really do appreciate it.

All the best to you,
EndTheFed

Well if you or anyone is interested in the heretofore assumed VAM 8B coin, I limit myself to 50 coins at any one time, so I am either going to list it on ebay or something. Was gonna try to get $40-$50 to recoup some of my grading fee, but I don't know if I will get it...

If this is something that is of more appeal to someone on the board who would get more satisfaction from it, I would much rather do that, even if I get less

EndTheFed

Yeah I will either list it for cheap or put it in the kids min-safe, along with a few other non-MS coin slabs

EndTheFed