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... and that's why Bob is The Man  Edited by TwoKopeiki
08/28/2007 5:30 pm
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Forum Dad
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But I only wanted to know if it was real or not.   |
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Of course it's real. A real fake!!
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Well, feed me garlic and call me stinky, if that isn't the most comprehensive response I could ever hope for!
Thank you Swamperbob for the detailed explanation with the many sidebars included. Fascinating stuff!
I'm working on attaining the answers to your questions and hopefully should have something for you later today regarding questions 1 and 5.
Question 1: 40grams although I am re-weighing on finer scales
Question 2: I am not familiar with the colonial edge design, however the edge design is circle,sqaure,circle,square linked together.
Question 3: There are no overlaps on the edge design, although I'm not sure if I'm analysing the edge correctly. Should there be obvious signs of overlap?
Question 4: I haven't yet figured out a safe way to immerse the coin into water to perform this test.
Question 5: 13.2cm
Look forward to hearing anything further that you may have found out.
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My apologies for the error. The weight is 29.0 grams, not 40.0 grams.
Shannon
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Shannon - The correct weight of an 8R is 27 grams. There is a very narrow range 26.5 to about 27.1 that is normal. At about 26.2 grams an 8R was worn beyond recognition.
The correct diameter is about 37 to 38 mm. A coin as large as 40mm was encountered in some period but was normally considered suspect. The smallest issues tend to be those of Durango which can be 35mm quite often.
Pure water will not harm the coin, but SG is really not needed at this time because I was able to type match the host coin. It is one of the later English issues dating to the latter part of the "Emergency" (when the cruder copies were the norm).
I located a copy with the oval CS and another with no punch at all. All three are thin plated copies which also points to a later issue date.
The pictures I have are too large to upload but they are the same.
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Thanks for the further information. After acquiring this coin, I've found that there is some further reading available at https://www.counterfeitcoins.com. I'm not sure if this is right place to discussing selling this coin, so if not, then can you let me know your email address. I'm at shannon.cox@chevron.com. Cheers, Shannon |
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I was just browsing and I also thought the legends were all wrong till I found Heritage sold the same one for 1,150 in 2006.  |
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Meiji - Very interesting. Heritage clearly has sold a forgery as the real thing.
One of the diagnostics for the host coin that proves beyond any doubt whatsoever is the shape (font) of the numerals in the date.
Look at the 9 for instance. It is the wrong shape - the Mexican 9 has a loop not the straight connection seen on this host coin. PERIOD.
Heritage is wrong.
I tried 4 different times to add a scan showing the 9s but for some reason I could not do it. I will try later. But if you compare the 9 in the Heritage picture with the 9 in the picture above posted by TwoKopeiki you can see the difference.
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10/03/2007 8:49 pm
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Here is the RIGHT shape 9 Image Insert: Here are TWO INCORRECT 9s including one that is so worn out that half the underlayer shows. These are the same host coins. Image Insert: Edited by swamperbob
10/03/2007 9:05 pm
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Right that's what I meant when I said the legends were all wrong. The 9 and 2 were blatantly wrong for Mexico, so I moved on. Then I saw the same one sell on Heritage for $1,150.00 What I can't believe is if your going to pay over 1k for a coin, you should do some research. It's amazing how identical the 2 coins are. They both have worn E on ET, same N on IND. Shame on you Heritage. Here is the link if you're interested: http://coins.ha.com/common/view_ite...13591&src=prEdited by Meiji
10/04/2007 12:35 am
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Meiji - You are 100% correct that anyone planning to spend $1500 should be considerably more careful. I think the lesson to be gained from this is that even larger dealers make mistakes. In their auction of October 1, they posted a RARE 1842 Zs 8R which sold for $59. It too is a counterfeit - one listed in Riddell. http://coins.ha.com/common/view_ite...67660&src=prIn that last case, I had spotted the coin and wrote to Heritage to warn them a few days before the auction closed. They never replied, but since I won 6 coins in that same auction (real ones) I will follow up and see if they plan to offer a refund. As a counterfeit - one listed in Riddell the coin is collectable and worth at least $35 - but $59 plus fees is a bit high.
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10/04/2007 09:02 am
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Bob, I was the winner of that Zacatecas piece (as well as 1827 Guanajuato one). It being a counterfeit was the only reason I bid on it. You know how I like those hand-cut eagles ;)
~Roman
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10/04/2007 11:07 am
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Bob, about the 1792 piece - I just remembered something. That was the year with "dot over mintmark" variety, but since I don't have Calbeto at work - I can't compare the legend positioning, letters / numbers. If it's a variety, perhaps the "92" can be re-cut, as well?
I'll check Calbeto tonight.
~Roman
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10/04/2007 11:01 am
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Looks like wouldn't be able to check anything tonight - still at work, which means I'll crash once I get home... :(
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