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Suspicious Looking 1793 Cent On The Bay

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 Posted 10/15/2014  9:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list
Where's the chain?
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 Posted 10/15/2014  9:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdpmedia to your friends list
When comparing the two shots side by side,

a) look at the shape of the top portion of the 3 digit,

b) observe the point on the adjacent '1' where the left top portion of the '7' digit points to: not the small connected section pointing downward,

c) irrespective of the possibility of varieties the first significant indentation in the hair curls/waves proceeding downward from the top of the head(closest to the upper forehead) appears to be unnatural based upon expected & normal wear patterns.

them make your decision.

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 Posted 10/15/2014  10:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list
Even I can tell it's fake....and that's sayin' somethin'.
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 Posted 10/15/2014  10:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list
When oh when will Minnesota ban ebay? Talk about your 24-7 con games.
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 Posted 10/15/2014  10:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2000 to your friends list
I reported it, not sure what all it will help though.
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 Posted 10/15/2014  10:49 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
It's a fake Wreath Cent not Chain.
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 Posted 10/15/2014  11:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Drsandman2 to your friends list
I only buy counterfeit coins from sellers who place their coins on the floor, inbetween their dirty fingers, on used bath towels, and on their bed sheets...
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 Posted 10/16/2014  12:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list
I reported it, too ... Sadly, I filed more than a dozen "reports" on another fake seller before he/she got taken down. I'm wondering if this ebay reporting system has been relegated to a "numbers game?" In other words, the ebay geniuses may need to see a certain number of reports before thay'll take one seriously?
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 Posted 10/16/2014  02:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JSabatke to your friends list
Fake? But it's so shiny!!
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 Posted 10/16/2014  02:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list
0 feedback as seller.
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 Posted 10/16/2014  05:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Vgwillm to your friends list
I added a question to the seller and included the real coin/fake(his). Hope it helps the buyers think twice about the coin.
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 Posted 10/16/2014  06:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list
There are some electrotype fakes that are quite old and valuable, this is NOT one of them. A decent electrotype copy would sell for around $400+ on a coin such as this.
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 Posted 10/16/2014  06:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list
Good point, Westcoin. It seems that I rarely see those early electros on ebay.
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 Posted 10/16/2014  11:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

Quote:
Can someone confirm that the US did not use a collar until the Seated coinage?

No they used collars before that. The Half Cents, large cents, half dollars, and dollar coins used an open collar that was only used for centering the coin between the dies until 1836 when the close collar was introduced.

The reeded edge coins used a somewhat close collar that didn't truly confine the coin and raise a rim like the close collars, but did confine it enough to impart the reeding on the edge of the coin. The mint bagan experimenting making the collar closer and closer during the 1820's finally going with the full close collar on the small diameter bust dimes in 1829. (While the bust dimes are listed as large diameter and small diameter, the diameter actually gradually reduced during the 1820's.)

In 1836 the close collar was introduced to all coins. The Seated coins began the following year.
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 Posted 10/18/2014  8:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Altaira to your friends list
I just got a Red Book and I was wrong about the collars. Thanks for the explanation Conder, I'll look up those early collars, sounds interesting.
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