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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote:There is an interesting new (to me) tool available from the USPS. It is called informed delivery. A picture is taken of every piece of non-junk mail and packages due to be delivered to your address. With each picture is a box you can check if you didn't receive the item! I don't know what good it does to check the box, but, heck, it's better than nothing. Remember they have a picture of all of your mail. Interesting. The link: https://informeddelivery.usps.com/b...start.actionGood luck! I have this on my phone and I really like this app. One time I did have to check the box and the next day it was there. I recommend everyone to get this app or sign up on your computer.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
581 Posts |
A person has basically no control over some unstable and/or vindictive person (disgruntled employee, former business partner, ex-spouse etc.) mailing a letter or package to your home address. Because you have no control you have plausible deniability and are not held responsible for contents of said letter or package.
When signing up for informed delivery you are doing it willfully and giving your consent. The sign-up process is hugely flawed especially in regards to them confirming your identity. One scary huge flaw is that some unstable and/or vindictive person can sign you up, without you knowing and there's a large time gap between you finding this out and correcting it.
In essence this informeddelivery service forfeits a private individual's legal plausible deniability (which we've always taken for granted because it's common sense) forever whether you sign up for the service or not.
I'm sure you all can come to your own conclusions about the issues applicable with opening up this "can of worms".
Nice, normal human beings focus, with good faith, on the key features and perceived benefits with a false sense of security.
Potential bad actors read the "fine print" seeking opportunity.
NOTE: This is not legal advice and I apologize if what I wrote is viewed as negative or if I sound like a jerk; it is not my intent. I wrote this because I do not want potential bad things to happen to nice people.
They only take pics of the outside front of letters and zero pics of packages.
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Moderator
 United States
54172 Posts |
@yellow88
Under what legitimate circumstances does a person NEED plausible deniability? ..and please explain to me again how Informed Delivery forfeits it.
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Forum Dad
 United States
23754 Posts |
Quote: When signing up for informed delivery you are doing it willfully and giving your consent. The sign-up process is hugely flawed especially in regards to them confirming your identity. One scary huge flaw is that some unstable and/or vindictive person can sign you up, without you knowing and there's a large time gap between you finding this out and correcting it. I had to print out a barcode from my already once verified USPS account, then take the barcode with my photo ID to the Post Office so both could be scanned to activate it. I don't see the flaw in it.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1952 Posts |
When I signed up for Informed Delivery a while back, it was immediate and entirely online. There was no additional confirmation that I recall (on the other hand, I already had an account with USPS for having purchased stamps and supplies). The process of scanning a barcode and visiting the local post office is news to me.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
17836 Posts |
Quote: So how would a PO delivery person know there was a valuable coin inside the box? He may not know it is a valuable COIN, but the amount of the postage/insurance can tell them it is a valuable ITEM.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1005 Posts |
@nss-52 I too am very confused about this. I signed up for informed delivery but all it does is send me emails with images of the fronts of letters. Why does this change anything?
Any concrete examples of what liability this service could open us up to would be most appreciated.
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Moderator
 United States
54172 Posts |
Quote: Any concrete examples of what liability this service could open us up to would be most appreciated. Maybe yellow88 will tell us.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
4381 Posts |
Anybody can signup for any address and see all the mail being delivered. There's no proof required.
Congrats you now have a son named Sue.
-----Burton 50 year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, OnLine Coin Club Owned by four cats and a wife of 40 years (joined 1983)
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Moderator
 United States
54172 Posts |
Quote: Anybody can signup for any address and see all the mail being delivered. There's no proof required. This is false.
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Valued Member
United States
64 Posts |
To OP: I would contact the cc company for reimbursement.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
17836 Posts |
Considering the OP was four years ago its probably already been settled.
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Moderator
 United States
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Valued Member
United States
379 Posts |
If you are tired of delivery incompetence, either by UPS or FEDEX or the USPO, and you buy a lot of coins, it will be worth your time to just rent a p.o. box with signature required. the post office will put a yellow delivery notice in your box, you go to the parcel delivery window, sign for it, receive it and that is the end of your problem... usually. of course, that does not mean that the post office will mishandle your package. I once got a multiple gold coin set in which two of the coins escaped their capsules and one rubbed against a metal ring in the package, completely ruining the coin with scratches.
I always ask the seller now if they could put some tape around the capsule and add enough material so that the capsule will not escape the indentation for the capsule. I also will not buy any coin which the seller uses "ground delivery". In these cases, I ask the seller to send it by the post office insured with signature and that I will pay the extra amount. if they do not, I simply do not buy the coin because I am tired of missing and mis-delivered coins and literally chasing the delivery truck down once it enters my property (there are several homes located on the farm I live on and the ground delivery ALWAYS goes to the wrong house and drops it off at my neighbor, who fortunately is honest. This is despite me writing specific simple directions to my home.
I once chased down a fedex truck once who was headed for the wrong house and asked the driver why she did not simply follow the directions on the package. her reply was that she never looks what is written on the package other than the direct address, she only reads what her computer tells her... the specific directions were/are not added onto the computer.
It's the same old attitude with everything else... their attitude, nomatter what kind of business is "hey, it's not MY coin/boat/item, whatever".
I never got over a lost coin once that was delivered by ground service. After tracking showed that it had been delivered (but not to me), when I asked the dispatch the next day (before memories get hazed) if the delivery person could show me where he or she physically show me where they delivered the package, the dispatch actually laughed at me AND HUNG UP ON ME. (and I was being nice).
Now, I now that these are the days when it seems that EVERYBODY if offended over EVERYTHING), but I am talking about a valuable coin for crying out loud.
The old "The customer is always right" term is obviously not in fashion these days with customer "service". The customer is not always right but often is. With that being said, These days, the customer is always wrong, no matter what proof you have that THEY are the wrong ones.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
8923 Posts |
Sorry to contribute to this thread late. I lost ~$80 in ebay sales due to a local PO worker stealing rolls from my packages I shipped. They have been since removed from their position, but my claims denied.
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