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Gargonius, Ogulnius And Vergilius. Anonymous Denarius

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 Posted 12/28/2014  6:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Topcat7 to your friends list

A.M. - GREAT! Thanks for looking that up.

I had a quick look. Didn't find it. Any closer clue, please?

I will read the whole thing (in time).
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 Posted 12/28/2014  6:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Augustus Maximus to your friends list
It is a few sentences under the heading "Clive Stannard: Papers on mint techniques"
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 Posted 12/28/2014  6:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Augustus Maximus to your friends list
.... and under "The adjustment al marco of the weight of Roman Republican denarii blanks by gouging"
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 Posted 12/28/2014  6:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Topcat7 to your friends list

Terriffic. Thanks A.M. I did find it in the end. 'Al Marco'

I want to read the whole article, now.
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 Posted 12/28/2014  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Topcat7 to your friends list

Now I can see why the weights of the Denarii are all over the place, if the moneyers didn't pay much attention to getting an 'average' weight of each flan anywhere near the same.

This, (of course), would have applied to all coins, at least up to this period. (even back to the Obols, of Greece, I am guessing.)

Tres interessante.

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 Posted 12/28/2014  8:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list
I love the style of this piece. Very interesting.
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 Posted 12/28/2014  9:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsmat71 to your friends list
nice one indeed TC, the details are very sharp, especially on the obverse. all the more interesting that it as been weight adjusted.
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 Posted 12/28/2014  9:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Augustus Maximus to your friends list
@TC I am very sure they stopped this practice during the Imperial period though.
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 Posted 12/29/2014  01:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Topcat7 to your friends list
Does the 'gouging' make this coin more collectable?

I confess that any that I have looked at on 'Wildwinds' (and the like) have not been 'gouged', so I cannot compare the value.

Does the 'gouging' give the coin it's own Sears (or similar) number? (I suspect not.)

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12/29/2014 01:51 am
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 Posted 12/29/2014  08:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Augustus Maximus to your friends list
Not really , at least not from what I have seen . I looked on Vcoins and gouged denarii seem to go for the same amount as fully struck and preserved denarii . Still an interesting coin!
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 Posted 12/29/2014  08:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Augustus Maximus to your friends list
Also the unusually large issue could have been for paying the troops in the 1st mithradatic war.
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 Posted 12/29/2014  3:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Topcat7 to your friends list

The more one learns of this period the more one realises that although we would like to think that life was more 'orderly', and 'rigid', them, it was actually far from it, and was no less chaotic than today.
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Well the Republic was on life support by this time , gangs of hired thugs fought each other in the streets ,rival generals ( Marius and Sulla) purged each others followers and marched on Rome .The rule of law lay shatterd by ambitious generals and politicians, the Republic was rotten to the core. It's best that Augustus did away with the decayed and rotten Roman Republic in 27 BCE
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 Posted 01/01/2015  09:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list
TC,
The gouging does not give the coin its own sear number. The sear number is assigned to the type (obverse/ reverse). The gouging is most likely a means of controlling the weight of the denarius during manufacture and there is some metal that didn't fill the die on the reverse. Its all ok. These are considered flaws, but considering the coin type and the price point (not a $100,000 coin) then the effect on the value of the piece would be negligible. Its a great coin but it will not command the price of an FDC example. I am totally confident you can live the fault, and if you cant I can!!
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01/01/2015 09:15 am
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 Posted 01/01/2015  4:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Topcat7 to your friends list

Thanks to everyone who contributed A.M., A.N., Med, Chris.

I now know a heck of a lot more about this coin than when I started.

I really like it, (sorry A.N.), and with what you (all) have told me I have even more interest in it. Money well spent, I think.

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