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1858 1c And 1907-H 1c

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 Posted 01/02/2015  3:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fourmack to your friends list
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MS64 BN

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Love the 1858
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ms 63 & ef 45
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Wow... I am surprised at the responses for the Edward VII cent... to me, that looks like a mint state coin, but weakly struck. The ICCS plastic certainly does not help...
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in my opinion MS-63 Toned and MS-60 Red. I love the top one!
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Wow... I am surprised at the responses for the Edward VII cent... to me, that looks like a mint state coin, but weakly struck. The ICCS plastic certainly does not help...


... Which is why I will not buy ICCS graded coins based off of photos...

That coin could be anywhere from an AU53-MS63, brown or red brown, and if the plastic is old, even in hand you might not be able to tell on the luster...
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Nice coins, especially the 1858 cent. That is one beautiful coin.
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Here are the results. I bought the 1858 because of the luster under the tone, and the 1907 for the amount of red at the grade. I posted these two because they are graded on their technical attributes, not an overall (better)impression that you might get from first glance.

1858-1c-And-1907-H-1c
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am surprised about the 40 on the 1907.
although probably not a MS candidate, but a mid 50ties I would have guessed.

I also thought the 1858 would grade higher. Personally I think ICCS would grade it higher. Louis is sometimes extremely conservative, especially a few years ago.
I had some regarded at ICCS and in 2 out of 8 it resulted in 2 grades higher, 1 was one grade higher, the rest the same. None was lower.

again, picture grading is not ideal!

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I would snip that ICCS and send it back in a separate batch... I bet the results will be different...
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i think I would want to try another opinion with that 1858 because it looks alot better than au55
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The 1858 was in an ICCS flip when I bought it (same grade), I got CCCS to hard slab it so it was easier to view. Roger, I could re-submit the '07, but a better grade would just confirm to me that grade creep is an ongoing phenomenon. If it was an EF by conservative standards 15 years ago and now it's an AU, what it really means is dealers can sell coins at a higher grade point, and collectors get less quality for their hard earned dollars. TPG's are like gas stations though: if one is out of line with the others, it will either be shunned or overrun by customers. I still blame PCGS for what has happened to ICCS standards.
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