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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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@ Ed I doubt buying on ebay is for you! What's your ebay ID so you can go on my best buddies list. Do you have any idea how your behaviour towards sellers impacts a seller. Anytime you post about buying anything on ebay, it's always the sellers fault. Man up and take responsibility for your choices! You agreed to $3 economy shipping when you read the listing. If you felt it was too much, don't buy! You don't know how far the seller has to drive to mail it, maybe they pay a friend like I do, because I have no car in a small town. Maybe they have to pay bus fare? Then there's the 13% fees and .30 Paypal fees. Sellers often have ebay side with scammers, and lose money. On ebay sellers forum, it's advised to add a little to ship fees as self insurance!! Under the main forum, you posted on a thread a out shipments that take the long route to arrive! You stated the 1st day ebay allowed , you were going to open a case for late arrival you would!! After acknowledging it was USPS fault and not the sellers fault for your coins late arrival. Yet you could see the route the coin was taking and where it was! Every time a case is opened, a neutral feedback left, or a 1-2 for ship fees are left a seller earns a defect. Seven defects from different buyers and a sellers career can be ended. Stop and think how your ACTIONS IMPACT OTHERS! I'm in 100% agreement with Pacific, JD, and Peter! Kudus to you guys, for educating ED and other buyers. ebay has made recent changes to reflect the buyer taking Responsibility for agreeing to the shipping fee as stated! There's too many buyers that think shipping is the cost of a stamp!! Just think how much you spend in gas going to and from a store. It has a cost and is not free. Box stores with free shipping raise the prices on products, so they can offer free shipping. I've seen bullion coins, where it was 1st class shipping, asking $10 for a 1 Oz coin. I know they can ship for under $3. It's up to me to decide, whether or not it's worth it for me. Too many buyers don't take personal responsibility or want something for nothing. Sellers are getting shafted and prices rise to cover the costs of others selfish business. If $3 is too much to pay for postage, you'd best stick to buying coins in person! Sorry for the Rant, I've just tired of reading how it's always the sellers fault, when sometimes it's the post office, or this post was the final straw!! It seems more & more buyers behave like the original poster. The person should pay Canadian postage, now there's something to complain about!! |
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United States
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I'm a (US) seller on ebay and I'd feel pretty slimy if I charged $3.00 to ship a single coin anywhere in the US and only put a postage stamp on it. All this stuff about having friends drive you to the post office or taking a bus to the post office...who the heck in the US doesn't have a mail delivery person coming right to their residence every day? You know...those folks are paid to ALSO pick up your outbound mail if you have some ready to go. You don't really have to factor in transportation costs unless you have some really crazy circumstances. You have the postage costs and the cost of the envelope/mailer. Period. Labor costs? That's laughable. That's just a euphemism for gouging. The seller just charged the OP over $2.00 for...what? Licking the envelope, pressing a stamp on it and writing out an address? I would NOT give this seller a neutral and I would NOT ding his DSRs over this $3.00 charge, but I would be PO'd just enough to probably NOT ever consider buying from him again. There's no law that says you have to leave any type of feedback, and in this case, I wouldn't. |
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Pillar of the Community
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Boy are you out of touch with the realities of running a business. You and farmerjoe haven't sold much looking at your ebay handles. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Impressing YOU with what I sell on ebay is not my top priority. But I have been at it for 14 years and have 100% positive feedback on over 6700 tansactions and am considered by ebay as a Top Rated Seller. I sold 17 items for $534 this last weekend. I think my buyers appreciate that I don't try to pad my sales by marking up my shipping charges by 100% or more. |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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A lot of us have been selling on ebay for many years and yes , well said, you don't have to impress anyone.See you are not a heavy hitter on ebay 201 positives in 12 months is pretty much just a collector or vest pocket guy. $ 534 dollars in sales in a weekend is about 40 bucks profit if you really analyze it from a business point of view. I have no idea who marks up their shipping one hundred per cent. Certainly none of our colleagues here in Canada. With the rates Canada post charges you are lucky to recover all of your costs. You and farmerjoe just do not get it, shipping involves SHIPPING and HANDLING and if you are going to be successful in business it is imperative you recover all costs or you will not make money and should not waste your time . Pocket change 50 has it absolutely right with his above comments. I especially love the comment about his best buddies list, as of now plus 2. |
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$ 534 dollars in sales in a weekend is about 40 bucks profit Why on earth would you venture such an ill-informed opinion as if it was a statement of fact? Were you in the room with me when I tallied everything up at the end? Are you omniscient and all-seeing? You don't have a CLUE what my profit was so why even mention it? Perhaps to demean me as being insignificant in the grand scale of all things eBay-ish...? Quote:
I have no idea who marks up their shipping one hundred per cent. Well then maybe you're not paying attention or are too involved in conjuring up my profit. The OP said he was charged $3.00 shipping and that the seller only put a plain old stamp on the envelope. That means he either used a "forever stamp" or perhaps more properly put $0.67 worth of postage on it due to the "contains rigid object" clause in the postal regs. The $2.00+ that he pocketed above what he paid, to my math, works out to more than a 100% mark up. |
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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The OP said he was charged $3.00 shipping and that the seller only put a plain old stamp on the envelope. That means he either used a "forever stamp" or perhaps more properly put $0.67 worth of postage on it due to the "contains rigid object" clause in the postal regs. The $2.00+ that he pocketed above what he paid, to my math, works out to more than a 100% mark up. I think you are missing the point. The OP started out with a question, asking if a seller mailing a coin without a tracking number and charging $3 for shipping was deserving of a neutral feedback. I do not know if the OP was seriously asking if he should leave a neutral for that, or if it was just question posed for the sake of making a gripe heard. Doesn't really matter either way. The only 2 points which matter are: 1. Were the shipping charges clearly stated? (yes) 2. Did the coin arrive safely? (yes) Logically, that is all that should matter. Unfortunately, it seems that it is easy to make a 'holier than thou' argument out of a series of hypothetical situations. I think some fantastic, logical points have been made. The bottom line is dinging a seller for something as stupid as this is ridiculous. You do realize this 'issue' is over like $2? |
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Like I already said once, I asked a simple question, even with some good humor in the OP. Let me repeat that so it doesn't get read over.....I was possibly blaming myself for being over sensitive after a winter of 250 inches of snow, and February temps averaging 9 degrees. I'm a Meterologist in Syracuse, we're not used to that here, and a lot of people here are on edge big time. My question was simply answered in the first few posts. I never/or have never left a neutral feedback. When someone says economy shipping, or standard shipping, nowhere is it clearly stated what that is. I check ebay every once in a while and the descriptions are still vague. I have listed coins and actually said in the description that the shipping will be a postage stamp on an envelope. That's "clearly described." Maybe people who live in other countries shouldn't take such a harsh stance about shipping issues in this country, a subject we are much more familiar with. Mind you, I said harsh stance, helpful comments are always welcome and encouraged. I respect the opinions of all of those, positive and negative, who buy and sell in this country. |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Wow all this over 2 bucks  . |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
7375 Posts |
Yea, I think we've gotten enough mileage out of this one.
Moderator, thanks in advance if you decide to lock the thread.
Edited by edweather
03/16/2015 4:32 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I really do not understand why Canadians are attempting to equate their lousy postal system with our own in the US  Is tracking an expensive proposition in Canada? Yes. However, it is downright cheap in the US but that is apparently irrelevant in la-la land. As mentioned by weerdsteev, USPS carriers will pick up your outgoing mail from your delivery location so there is no 30 mile snowmobile trek to the Moosebend Post Office in the Northern Territories to worry about. With nothing more than a scale and a printer, you can print electronic postage directly from PayPal, there is no need to make any trip to the post office for anything less than 13 ounces. I typically charge $3 for postage on ebay which includes a securely packed padded bubble mailer, Delivery Confirmation, and bubble wrap if I am mailing a slab. Dropping a coin in a first class envelope, regardless of postage charged, is one of the worst ways to ship a coin unless you do it properly and the majority ends up doing it wrong. A rigid object in an envelope renders the envelope unmachinable, it cannot be fed through the automatic sorting and postmarking equipment due to the need for flexibility. It may make it through but the chances of the envelope being damaged are high and envelope damage usually equals a lost coin. The only way to do it correctly is to add an extra 20 cents postage(nonmachinable surcharge), enclose the coin between two pieces of cardboard or other thin rigid sheets, and mark the outer envelope as NONMACHINABLE. For the last part, I use a red ink rubber stamper to add it to both sides of the envelope. I have used this method a couple hundred times for inexpensive coins and every single one made it to the delivery location with coin intact and I did not even have to charge $3 for that level of service  |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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No actually our postal system is quite good and actually makes a profit. Letter carriers here as well pick up outgoing mail. It comes back to a previous post though. You have to cover all costs if you expect to make a profit in business. by the way $ 3 US and you have all the bells and whistles. That equates to about $3.85 CAD based on todays rate. Our standard shipping rate is about $4 to Canada and the USA, obviously much more for overseas. That is not bad considering we actually have to get out the door go 3 miles to the post office and actually get to talk to a fellow human being. We use 000 or 00 bubble mailers (50 per cent higher price in Canada) proper packing tape, and ship with care.
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Pillar of the Community
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If this... Quote:
Letter carriers here as well pick up outgoing mail.
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considering we actually have to get out the door go 3 miles to the post office |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I don't think it's right charging $3 for shipping when you're just going to throw the coin into a letter envelope for <$1 and pocket the difference. However, as long as the seller makes it plain in the description that he is doing this, then I have no problem with it. Either way, if it happened to me, I would be annoyed and may discontinue business with that seller, but I don't think it's close to worth messing up their feedback over. to those who think their opinion necessarily means more because they move higher volume on ebay than others...  |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Because we are sending 15 to 20 packages a day and they need tracking for the most part. Letter carriers pick up standard mail not needing extra services like tracking. Unlike our US counterparts we cannot use the Online service to print tracking.
Tracking is quite expensive in Canada and there are not many options. Due to USPS not honouring foreign registered mail and letting go into the regular mail stream Registered mail to the U.S. was suspended in 2012.
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