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1964-D Nickel Lamination?

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 Posted 03/28/2015  10:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tweak800 to your friends list
I was thinking Cud but if you say it looks like you can peel it up I would say finning that has gotten folded over when pressed
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 Posted 03/28/2015  10:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BlueSolo to your friends list
Ohh, I see now : ) Thanks guys!
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 Posted 03/28/2015  10:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMasters to your friends list
I think either vlds or peripheral erosion.
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 Posted 03/28/2015  11:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMasters to your friends list
vlds = very late die stage, which can cause merging of the devices with the die flow (wear on the die) towards the rim. Or, peripheral erosion= erosion on the die where the field meets the rim. I'm leaning towards the latter.
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 Posted 03/28/2015  11:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BlueSolo to your friends list
Thanks for your input CoinMasters : ) I think I read about VLDS today on a reply from Coop. Ruled it out because it seemed like it was a flap of metal that had been pressed against the surface through circulation. That's a term I have not seen before - peripheral erosion; again I'm ruling that out because of the flap/peal look to it, but that's a nice term to learn

Learned three new things today :D VLDS, Finning, and peripheral erosion
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 Posted 03/29/2015  12:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMasters to your friends list
I am a man of limited knowledge but peripheral erosion looks a lot like that. When the edge of the field on the die erodes, it creates a void where the metal can "flap out". I think someone that knows for sure will hap along.
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 Posted 03/29/2015  12:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rackster to your friends list
I believe this is a lamination error, somewhat typical around the outer devices on 50s/60s nickels. I've found quite a few. I think that rim finning only occurs on the outer edge when the metal flows between the collar and the die (sort of like flash on a plastic part). But perhaps the metal could flow inward towards the devices instead? One of the experts will chime in and let us know.
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03/29/2015 12:33 am
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 Posted 03/29/2015  01:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BlueSolo to your friends list
I felt like tweak800 said makes sense; The coin is heavily circulated. The finning got folded over, and then it would then take the shape of the letters. Similar to if you fold tinfoil around a coin and put some wear into it - the tinfoil should start taking the shape of the designs on the coin.

It could still be lamination as you said, that was my original thought. I'm pretty mad that I turned in a really nice lamination pealed nickel from this same box! It was a large one and I thought I had set it aside but it may have gotten mixed in with the others. After I returned the box I couldn't find it
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 Posted 03/29/2015  02:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
I feel it is a flattened fin. Note how it folds over the top of the devices. It is were a lamination/peel, the under material would have peeled. But I'm not seeing this on this coin.
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 Posted 03/29/2015  02:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BlueSolo to your friends list
Ahh, good call Coop. Nice tip for determining lamination, in the close up shots I should see a difference in the material below the flap. Thanks!
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 Posted 03/29/2015  08:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
Any chance it's a retained struck through?
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 Posted 03/29/2015  11:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
If it were struck through the devices would be fully pressed down and I'm not seeing this on this coin.
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 Posted 03/29/2015  12:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverStackerKid to your friends list

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Ahh, good call Coop


I said it first.
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 Posted 03/29/2015  2:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BlueSolo to your friends list
Haha, thanks again SilverStackerKid. Appreciate it : )

The good call was because there were a few suggestions as to what this was and coop cleared up the lamination thing by explaining we would see a color difference in the underside of the extra material which is not seen on this coin.
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 Posted 03/29/2015  8:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Not a color difference, but a layer lost. On a Cent you would see a color difference if the plating peeled off the coin. (which isn't a lamination)
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