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Pillar of the Community
United States
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 Posted 06/21/2008  8:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thingee to your friends list
If the small "window" were torn or damaged I assume the note would no longer be legal tender?
Pillar of the Community
Australia
2830 Posts
 Posted 06/22/2008  12:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list
G'day,
if the note is recognizable, and has a serial number, it's legal tender.
I've heard of a bank paying out half, on a half-of-a-note*; the theory being that they would pay the other half when the remainder came in. That story is NOT from my own experience, ands I sometimes wonder if it's "urban myth".
*Australian notes, except the $5, have the serial number printed twice, so "half-of-a-note" equals one serial number. Anything less than that is a fragment, and of no value.

I'd disagree with what SAP said above: the design of the $10 "experimental" intoduced in 1988 was politically loaded, and it backfired. At least one artist sued the government, alleging that his artwork had been incorporated into the design without adequate compensation or attention to context. A lot of other people had their own reasons for resenting one side or other of the note. Personally, I think it's one of the most beautiful of all Australian notes.

Fast forward to 1992, and the $5 is introduced as a regular circulation note. Note these features:
the Queen is restored, having been absent since the $1 note was withdrawn in 1983.
There was an education campaign, which assured us that all of our criticisms from 1988 - real or imaginary - had been addressed.
We had a proprietary interest in the outcome, because the technology was Australian.
And, we were curious to see how it all worked out.

In succeeding years, the progressive introduction of each new denomination was welcomed, because the new notes are much more compact than the old paper notes. The old $20 was the biggest, but when the $50 was introduced, and then the $100, they were just "too big". The polymers can all fit in a wallet or purse.

I live in the tropics. We get 1660mm of rain in five months. The temperature is only rarely below 24 Celsiuc, even at night: so we perspire a lot. There was a lot of interest in how the polymers would handle the climate. They have stood the test.

And I've never heard of any counterfeit polymers.

Peter

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Australia
3831 Posts
 Posted 06/22/2008  02:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list
I wouldn't agree that there are no counterfeit polymer notes attempted.

There are news that Vietnamese gangs in Australia have attempted to counterfeited 50 dollar notes and circulated it. There are also news that Vietnam is starting to see some pattern of counterfeited polymer notes in their countries.

Polymer notes are indeed durable but that doesn't mean that all notes are created equally. For example, if you take a Singapore polymer note and an Australian polymer, you can tell the thickness difference. That can possibly mean their lifespan is much shorter.
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United States
1231 Posts
 Posted 06/22/2008  07:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add onejinx to your friends list
Back in February this year, the first counterfeit using a plastic substrate to simulate Australias appeared. A counterfeit $20 note. And a $100 was done more recently

Polymer note have heavily reduced the number of small time counterfeiters. But the pros are still out there. Of course there will always be dumb criminals who try to pass off bad fakes.

And GX is right, there is a difference between different countries and the thickness of the polymer notes. As to whether it changes the lifespan of the note, I don't know.

With all the counterfeiting issues we have with US currency, you would think our government would look into switching to polymer notes. With the recent ruling about the blind not being able to distinguish the different notes because they are all the same size. it would be a good opportunity for them to do some researching about using them.
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Ireland
215 Posts
 Posted 10/09/2008  7:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add greeniejim to your friends list
Hi all, been a wee whiles, but I was reading through the forums and found this one interesting about the Polymer notes. On 1st Jan 2000 Northern Ireland issued a commerative note to mark the millenium, All Prefix's stsrt Y2K and all are dated 1st Jan 2000, There were 50,000 of these notes issued and they can be easily found on ebay. The interesting thing I found was, I, live here in Northern Ireland and recently went to the Northern Bank(Last week) and discovered the bank is still issuing new notes from this 50,000 allocation 8 years later, I picked up a 5 lot consecutive numbered Y2K39983,84,85,86,87.
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Ireland
215 Posts
 Posted 10/09/2008  7:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add greeniejim to your friends list
Forgot to include the address of a site with detailed info on the notes and a few photos,
http://www.polymernotes.org/country...ir.htm#NIRS1
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United States
1231 Posts
 Posted 10/11/2008  09:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add onejinx to your friends list
greeniejim, you should have bought another 6 notes and get the radar note of Y2K39993

But that is interesting to know that they are still selling them.
Valued Member
Australia
68 Posts
 Posted 10/19/2008  03:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add my2cents to your friends list
When I was in Vietnam last year I noticed the banknotes in circulation were remarkably similar to our notes here in Australia. A friend over there told me that the Vietnamese notes were made in Australia and then sent to Vietnam. He also said that we export banknotes to many countries in the Asia-Pacific. Recently, while in New Zealand I found their notes are also similar. I can't seem to find info on this through searching the net though. Does anyone know if we do export these notes or is it just the technology, and if so, to which countries?
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United States
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 Posted 10/19/2008  8:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wd1040 to your friends list
So basically it's like this:

the substrate manufacturing
the printing

Now most printers in the world does not make the substrate (mainly because CSIRO doesn't often license that technology) so the national printers have to buy the substrate with the inner white layer printed and the notes cut into 4x8 or 5x9 sheets or whatever from Australia note printing.

The next step is to print the background colors and the main design onto the note. For most countries, like Vietnam and other countries that use polymer for their entire set, their respective national printers print the notes. For Australia, NZ, and some countries, they also ask Aus. Note Printing to print it for them.

... or if the country doesn't print or mint their own money (like Israel) they can tell either another printer or ANP to do it. In the case of Israel, even though they get their physical money from Korea, they commissioned Orell Fussil (Switzerland) to print it.

Another note, if you have a Vietnamese polymer note, you can see the intaglio printing quality is much worse than that of other countries. This would be a sign that it is from a different printer.

Hope this helps! :)
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United States
3098 Posts
 Posted 10/19/2008  8:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wd1040 to your friends list
https://goccf.com/t/21790&whichpage=2#247949

To answer Brett, the US would (for the most part) never use polymer notes because
1. It's not American. Why would you not want your money to be American? With all this outsourcing and dwindling of our American industries, you want to outsource our money too? ~~Politican's PC answer

2. We have to license the technology from the Aussies, which would be.... not favorable to the US govn't

3. Hey, Crane gets 4c for every note printed, which makes them a profit (and especially by printing all those 1s). If we switch over to polymer, then they would have to buy new machines, research, etc... Plus, the printing lobbyists would be all over the senator who introduces this bill, so it's not really worth endangering one's public service career over this thing. And why does the government care? It's your money and they can spend however much they want.
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Australia
2830 Posts
 Posted 10/20/2008  01:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list
G'day,
My2c, go to the NPA website,
http://www.noteprinting.com/about_NPA.html
there's a lot of information about which countries have taken up the polymer technology; and which countries NPA do the manufacturing for.
NPA have another arm, which prints other secure documents, such as passports.

re counterfeits: a little research revealed the following -

http://www.rba.gov.au/CurrencyNotes...feiting.html
Polymer Notes And Recent Counterfeiting Experience In Australia (1997)

http://www.rba.gov.au/CurrencyNotes...terfeit.html
Australia's Counterfeiting Experience (1998)

http://www.rbnz.govt.nz/research/bu...65_1Lang.pdf
Polymer bank notes - the New Zealand experience (2002)

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_...r-notes.html
Funny money: fake polymer VND100,000 (2006)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/.../1645334.htm
Counterfeit Aust notes seized in Colombian raid {2006)

http://www.afp.gov.au/business/busi...urrency.html
How to identify counterfeit currency


here's another link for those interested in polymer notes generally:
www.polymernotes.com
Full details of polymer bank note issues world wide.

Peter in Oz
Valued Member
Australia
68 Posts
 Posted 10/20/2008  07:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add my2cents to your friends list
Thank you for your responses.
wd1040, I'll have to have another look at the Vietnamese notes I have in relation to the print quality, but from memory, they were as good as the notes circulating here. They still have plenty of the old paper notes used in day-to-day transactions over there though, and many in a seriously dilapidated state. Many of these I kept merely for the fact that I wasn't sure if they would be around on my next visit.
Peter, this was the info I'd been looking for, so thank you for providing the links. I'm a newbie to banknote collecting and any extra knowledge I can get from the forum members is really appreciated. Cheers.
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Australia
2830 Posts
 Posted 10/28/2008  10:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list
G'day,
regarding counterfeit polymer notes -
I've just seen the latest flick from Gold Coast writer & director Chris NYST, "Crooked Business".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crooked_Business
Sadly, it was at the local art-house, so I gather it won't be released in the mainstream.

One of the many sub-plots was the distribution of counterfeit $50 polymer notes.
Technical aspects were not discussed.
The movie was NOT suitable for children, but it had plenty of action, and was very funny.

And, it's nice to know that our hobby has some points of intersection with popular culture.

Peter in Darwin


Valued Member
Australia
68 Posts
 Posted 11/18/2008  01:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add my2cents to your friends list
FYI Peter, and for anyone else interested, Crooked Business has been advertised for release at independent cinemas in Sydney also. Not sure how long it will run though...
Pillar of the Community
Australia
2830 Posts
 Posted 11/18/2008  04:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list
G'day, "Crooked Business" is already finished in Darwin. It was only shown at an open-air cinema, and the arrival of the Monsoon is incompatible with comfortable enjoyment of most movies ... except, maybe, "Singin' in the Rain".
Peter
Temp: 27.4°C
Wind: W at 14.8km/h
at 7.00pm
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