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Canada
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Looks like a weakly struck late die state MS coin to me - those rims are sharp and it looks like lustre. Of course, it's difficult to tell without the coin in hand.
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United Kingdom
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I can see Chequer's point, however, I think it's GVF on the obv and GEF on the rev, and so I would put the retail value nearer to £18.
The crown on the lion's head seems to have a bit of wear, and there seems to be a bit of wear on the lower part of the main crown. Even though the obv die may be worn, I'd expect to see a clearer hair outline and more hair detail on an MS coin.
That full grade difference between the obv and rev seems to be quite common on George V silver.
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 Sweden
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The coin is certainly MS as there isn't any apparent break in the luster. It's strong and consistent all through the surface fields. There is a graded MS65 '15 schilling hitting the auction block over at Heritage soon and that appears to have a bit more chatter than mine (though a much stronger strike). I'm certain that it's just weakness in the strike and not actual wear. I'm debating if this is worth sending off for grading. If it were to come back as a '64 for example... What would it value? I'm fairly naive when it comes to pricing British coins (this coin was a toss in with another coin that I purchased). Link to Heritage - http://coins.ha.com/itm/great-brita...tion-071515#Edited by SpareHuman
08/18/2015 04:04 am
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Sweden
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Some quick and dirty recaptures with much more light tossed on to give you a better sense of the luster... The colors are off on this photo, certainly not the beige you see. The coin is white.   |
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United Kingdom
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I'm not convinced that UK collectors are interested in the levels of MS grades in UK (or indeed world coins other than US or Canada) coins beyond "Unc without lustre", BU or gem BU.
Apart from occasionally seeing slightly higher prices in dealers' lists for Gem BU compared with BU, I see no evidence for pricing levels.
I also haven't seen population charts for UK coins.
How much more is MS65 or MS64 worth compared with MS63 ?
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Sweden
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For this particular coin, I don't know what the price differential would be. There was a graded 64 that sold through Heritage about 5 years ago for $138. I don't know if that was because of the coin or the provenance attached to it (Exeter College Collection). http://coins.ha.com/itm/great-brita...ption-071515It will be interesting to see what that the 65 will go for. What is the book value of this in the UK for BU and Gem BU? |
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United Kingdom
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The HA specimen seems to have a lot of scratches and a weak hairline. Does a US grade of Gem BU allow so many scratches ? One book says £65 in BU, another £75, http://www.coins-of-the-uk.co.uk/va...nesh.html#GV shows £55 but that was published in Aug 2013. I don't know of a book that publishes Gem BU values. |
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Sweden
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From my understanding, A Gem BU would qualify as 65 or above on the Sheldon scale. That 64 does have a lot of chatter, but again it's difficult to tell without the coin in hand. A photo can show flaws that may not be discernible to the naked eye.
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United Kingdom
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You have to remember that UK grading standards are completely different from US ones. Plus coins that might make MS64 in the US are common enough in the UK so command nowhere near the Heritage prices. Difficult to tell from your photos which are a bit harsh. But this coin is not dissimilar to yours, is graded gEF (about MS 60) by the dealer and will cost you £25 ($39) So if you wanted to sell yours in the UK you'd probably get $20+ so pertinax is spot on I'd say.  . Edited by Tom Goodheart
08/19/2015 07:55 am
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Sweden
135 Posts |
Tom, Thank you for that. That coin is a similar strike and condition to mine with the exception of the scratches. I imagine that kept that coin from going a bit higher. It's interesting because I think that you can see George's head outline on the reverse. They must have hit these with some pressure. Here's a link that I found that roughly translates the grading systems? http://www.coingradingservices.co.u..._cgs_gradingI don't really collect UK coinage so I am appreciative of the help. I have a few others that I need grading assistance with. I'll sporadically post those here. |
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Australia
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Weakly struck on high points, obv. die wear does not help.
obv.: hair moustache eyebrow, top of ear,
rev.: orb on top of crown, lion's nose.
Common with these coins.
few minor obv. & rev. dings dents, unbroken lustre.
MS62.
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United Kingdom
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There was a graded 64 that sold through Heritage about 5 years ago for $138 A graded MS64 1915 shilling ? With the dollar at 1.56, that was about £88, which seems high to me. However, I suppose the US equivalent of a shilling in 1915, was a quarter (25c) and I see that NGC http://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/...-36-desig-ms lists a price premium of about 42% for MS64 over MS63, and about 90% for MS65 over MS64. |
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Sweden
135 Posts |
That 64 did seem a bit pricey to me, I assume that it's provenance was a factor in that premium. Barber quarters are notoriously scarce in higher grades. They were heavily circulated and few were saved. Coupled with collector demand, that is why you see such a large price increase in grade range. There's certainly not a calculated standard going between grade ranges. Each series is unique. The Barber half dollars is great example of price variations between grades. They are tougher then the quarters. User sel_69l gave a detailed grade assessment and I'll go with that in my database. The variety of responses and information given here has been beyond expectation and I'm certainly glad that I posted that coin... Thanks again! |
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United States
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