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Pillar of the Community
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Is ebay getting getting proactive to avoid flak from the dept of justice over the whole potiental artifacts from ISIS or Countries banning historical artifact exports? If they delist it again look up what countries allow cultural exports in Europe and just say they were imported from that country 40+ years ago. I doubt they want proof haha. Edited by Bertensgrad
09/25/2015 2:36 pm
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For the small amount-value ? Ridiculous
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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They pulled four of my listings yesterday for exactly the same reason. I had a chat with them and they want provenance or an export licence. Awfully odd this happening now. Never happened to me before either. Oddly they left my other listings alone, like a Sasanian drachm
It was just a real bother because they pulled a listing that had been sold already and I have a ticked off buyer who already paid and who doesn't know what happened.
Oh well, going to have to dig out my Israel Antiquities Authority export certs and post them with the coins. Whole lot of trouble over nothing.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Could have something to do with the pending law in Germany requiring provenance for ancient coins. Perhaps ebay has taken the law up as part of their own policy? |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Whatever the reason the timing is a pain. I'm down to my last few hundred and I'm just trying.to get rid of them. Had a few lots of 100 up for cheap. Now I have to go through a whole new set of hoops. Oh well once they're gone no more ancients for me. I'll probably consign whatever ancients I have left to an auction house, let them sort the whole lot out. I'm getting more heavily into oriental cast coinage. Much more interesting.
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I've got my ancients on ecrater. No way I'm dealing with all that ebay noise. swcoin.ecrater.com
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Pillar of the Community
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You'd be better off listing counterfeit and cracked-out details coins.
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Pillar of the Community
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i just did an search of "uncleaned" coins on ebay, there are very few ancient coins now. recently, there were many pages of listings ...now there are 30 total. there were more earlier this afternoon. why go after uncleaned coins and not all ancient coins? why the sudden move?...i think there are some good ideas above. for ebay to do this something had to put some pretty serious pressure on them I would think. are other ancient coins next? i find it a troubling development for our hobby, whatever the reason. |
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Pillar of the Community
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I don't find it fair, I like buying uncleaned lots, gives me a sense of surprise and it's fun to identify them.
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09/25/2015 9:10 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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why go after uncleaned coins and not all ancient coins? One step at a time. I am sure that Atlas 642 has nailed it on the head. For whatever reason, ebay is buying into the notion of cultural patrimony being promoted by the archaeologists in the US. They have the ear of the U.S. State Department already from the days of Hillary Clinton. At present they want to see something that might pass for a provenance. So give them one and see what flies. End of story for now. --------- Read the following only at your own risk: The sum total of all people in the US who collect ancients, or even care about them at all, is such a small minority that ancient coins are an expendable commodity in the US. Banning them from import to the US is a relatively painless way to posture for "despoiled" countries in the Middle East and anywhere else ancient coins are being harvested for export. It is just a matter of time, and ebay is on board with this if it serves to demonstrate their willingness to cooperate with the State Department. Students on college campuses are the most vulnerable to being co-opted for the task of vilifying the collecting of anything ancient, and that is where the archaeologists have the edge. ebay has much to gain by giving the appearance of being a leader in the movement. Wayne Sayles and the ACCG has been battling this for over two decades. If there are 25000 people in the US shopping for ancient anything on ebay, or even three times that number it is a paltry number next to the number of transactions that take place on ebay daily. So the total clout of all the angry collectors of ancients is not likely to matter much in comparison to the gains to be made by taking an opposing position. For the moment sellers or ancients on ebay will be challenged to provide a "provenance" for the material they sell. Take a stab at it, and I'm betting ebay will give anything that looks close a "pass." So do that. |
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I sent a message to Eric, who sells uncleaned coins on ebay under the seller's ID "purse_of_the_legionary", and he responded that ebay has shut down all listings of uncleaned coins. He thinks it is because of reports of ISIS looting. Here's what he wrote back to me: "Yes, they removed everything related to "uncleaned" coins. I believe it's related to ISIS looting and refugees. I can't post any link here I think, but I invite you to search on Google for the keywords ISIS + looting + ebay, you'll find pages or interesting articles from last March and April. I think the answers are there. I may be wrong, but I can't see any other reason why ebay shut down thousands of listings. They usually end items because of a complaint, or because they are forced to. ebay isn't the type to loose money, they should have pressure somewhere. Right before Holiday shopping, they probably want to avoid more headlines stating they allow ISIS to move the looted artifacts and coins. They probably link "uncleaned" with "freshly excavated", with ISIS looting." Paul Bulgerin
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Pillar of the Community
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One more note on this thread: I checked ebay UK and ebay France and they are still filled with listings for uncleaned coins. So it seems, at least for now, buyers in the US can still buy uncleaned coins from Europe, but US sellers (and Canadian) cannot sell uncleaned coins as long as they mention they are uncleaned and do not list information on provenance. I think? Paul Bulgerin
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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i see that some a few listings are back up, some have a "statement of provenance" with the listing. I can't find in writing exactly what the new rules for meeting provenance is however...i would I'm curious to know what it is.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Ahhh, It's good to hear ebay hasn't lost it's 'touch'.  |
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