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Communities Considering Bans On 'Cash For Gold' Shops

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 Posted 12/14/2015  5:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list
The list of "unacceptable" businesses could expand to include bars, bars within certain limits of church or school (as some already do), topless bars of any variety, strip clubs, pawn shops almost exclusively dealing in the recently stolen, normal pawn shops that have so many regulations it's amazing they stay in business now, street vendors of every stripe including the good old roach coach, and that's to say nothing of establishments that in some form or another step on the toes of some religion, ethnic group, gender, or hair color.

In short, each community has the right to install a ban on any of those as long as everyone else just shuts up and lets them do it. If you want a change one way or another - then get to the board meetings yourself and open your mouth.
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 Posted 12/14/2015  5:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Well said.
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 Posted 12/14/2015  7:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Buddy to your friends list
The biggest problem I've heard about the Cash for Gold shops is that they don't use the RIGHT scale. They weigh the metal in aviordupois ounces and not troy ounces. You loose about ten per cent that way.
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 Posted 12/14/2015  8:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add davec13 to your friends list
If these "activists" had their way there would be no business anywhere. No one forces people to sell their stuff at any of these places, but it's their item to do with as they please. No matter what people may think these places do to their community, they still pay taxes, employee people, pay insurances and give the people a place to legally get money. I would rather have that than people robbing people for a few bucks.

If people really want to go after crooked business they should attack gamestop. That place buys used games for $10 bucks or less and resell them at $5 less than new prices. They have robbed more people than all the gold and silver places combined yet towns give them tax breaks to set up shop. It's all marketing.
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 Posted 12/14/2015  8:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add llewellin to your friends list
If they weigh your metal in avoirdupois and pay you by the troy ounce, then you're the one coming out on top.
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 Posted 12/14/2015  8:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joe2007 to your friends list
Thanks for the comments everyone! This is a nuanced topic since I'm sure nobody here likes some of the practices that some cash for gold shops operate under.

In my mind it is one thing for businesses proven to have to have illegal practices to be prosecuted so that they can no longer harm the public. It is totally another to assume beforehand that certain business types are guilty of being a blight on the community before they even complete their first transaction. Everyone knows that you are not getting a good deal borrowing money from a payday lender or selling your gold and silver to a pawn shop but some people need quick cash now and that flexibility comes with a cost.

Businesses playing games with their scales and other deceptive business practices need to be prosecuted. Draconian zoning regulations that target the good and the bad equally is no substitute for not prosecuting businesses that misrepresent their wares or engage in deceptive business practices.
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 Posted 12/14/2015  8:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joe2007 to your friends list
By the way I was just reading some fluff pieces that local newspapers were putting out promoting these traveling roadshow types a few years back and it is just sickening how they covered these 'events'. Good old investigative journalism is dead.
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 Posted 12/15/2015  1:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list
I live in a small Minnesota town that has at least one church on every block. All of them are having Lutefisk suppers during these weeks leading up to Christmas.

I've seriously considered starting a campaign against them being able to cook Lutefisk within the town proper. If you've never smelled that stuff cooking, consider yourself blessed.

Me doing that makes about as much sense as some of the ordinances put in place already. I don't even want to start on 'frac sand mining'. But as to the gold n' silver shops they are no different than any business that buys used items, to include vehicles, antiques, collectibles, jewelry, rugs, or what have you. It also really doesn't matter what they use for a scale. They could toss it in the air and decide the weight based on how long it takes to drop back in their hand. They offer you X dollars for X item. Take it or leave it.
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 Posted 12/15/2015  9:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Steele to your friends list

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They offer you X dollars for X item. Take it or leave it.

Pretty much this. if you don't do your own due diligence before hand you have no basis for complaint after the fact
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 Posted 12/16/2015  5:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list
If they find the shops are doing something illegal by all means shut them down and/or prosecute them. Just banning them because they don't like them however is not a road we want to start traveling down. While I firmly believe private developers should be able to decide who they lease to I couldn't disagree more with a city banning legal business just because they don't like it. If they do this and deem it a success it won't be long until they start targeting other things. I'm not buying their logic at all either. I seriously doubt anyone has ever heard a business say well I would have started a business here but there's a cash for gold place near by so I am going somewhere else.

The ban makes even less since when the majority of those cash for gold places are temporary anyway. We all saw them popping up on every corner with surging metal prices, now that prices have been in a decline for years most of those places are gone.
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 Posted 12/16/2015  6:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list
Where I live those cash-for-gold shops are all over. Also pawn shops, title loan stores and check cashing stores. It's just the nature of the part of the city where my house is. I've seen many of them come and go over the years.

I agree this topic is a slippery slope. We shouldn't ban something just because we don't like it.
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 Posted 12/16/2015  6:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Collects82 to your friends list
I'm of the opinion that those who buy/sell physical goods, as long as their is no fraud in their practices should be able to setup shop as they please. Whether it's new retail or second hand thrift or collectables, it's all the same game... source if for less than you sell it. Anyone here who has ever flipped a coin to fund something of greater value understands this. This is the fundamentals of really basic economics. Banning "They offer you X dollars for X item. Take it or leave it," when it comes to physical property is a slope we just should not go down as a country. I put Pawn Shops into this category because much of what they deal in is physical stuff, doesn't matter if its a gold coin or an ugly action figure.

However, regulating those who setup shops selling financial contracts that put disadvantaged people into long term disadvantaged situations needs to be regulated. There are already lots of laws dealing with contracts that prohibit certain types of scenarios regardless of what the contract says. I am defiantly in regulating these contracts. All sorts of things changed regarding mortgage practices after the recent recession for the protection of everyone.

As for where shops can be setup, I know zoning laws like to keep certain types of operations in certain places. But if a shop can afford to operate in a certain place, then by all means they have the right to try. Living here in SW Florida, I am reminded of 5th Avenue S in Naples. City Council has gone out of its way to keep corporate retail (except for a couple locally founded chains) out in favor of boutiques, banking / real estate services, art, and jewelry, a coin shop and a couple antique shops. Makes for a high end experience for sure.
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 Posted 12/16/2015  6:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add llewellin to your friends list
I agree with Collects82, who presents some good points. Also, economics says that if you believe these shops are creating a negative externality on society, then you should just tax them accordingly to compensate for that externality, not outright ban them. Then those extra tax dollars, while imposing a disincentive on these businesses, yield funds to correct for the downsides on society of such shops doing business.
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 Posted 12/16/2015  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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Also, economics says that if you believe these shops are creating a negative externality on society, then you should just tax them accordingly to compensate for that externality, not outright ban them.


That's not economics that's social engineering using the tax code to try and create a desired result. Creating a de-facto ban taxing things out of existence is no different than an actual ban. You should also need a lot more evidence than just a belief to even remotely consider that idea.

Any negative influence perceived by a cash for gold store is entirely a moralistic judgement. There inst actually any negative influence at all. Crime doesn't go up because they're around, drugs don't flood the area ect.

The cash for gold places do the exact same thing as a coin store. People have coins or bullion they want to sell and they're offered a price they can either accept or reject. Coin stores do the exact same thing, people have something to sell and they offer them a price. There's numerous shops that will low ball offer just as bad if not worse as the bad cash for gold places. There's really no logical reason anything against a cash for gold place shouldn't be extended to a coin store as well aside from an arbitrary decision deciding not to.
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 Posted 01/02/2016  3:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list
I worked at a cash for gold place for 5 days only, and my experience there is that the store goes hand in hand with the drug trade and the fencing market for thieves. I rarely saw "good" people shop there. When that place shut down one of its locations a year later the neighbourhood looked clean and different. Most of the customers I encountered were straight-up thieves fencing multiples of the same item or still had the tag on it (!), drug addicts with glazed eyes, and more drug addicts trying to pawn or sell their mothers' jewelry. The other type of customer that I saw was the unfortunate, down on their luck, and non-educated people who are actual repeat customers because during the 2011-2012 boom they sold their gold to this shop owner who is a nasty person and still buy all his lines. His selling techniques were, "sell all your gold, the price is crashing" and "sell your gold the high prices will crash soon!". Everything is done very fast so you don't have time to think or calculate.

I'll tell you guys a few way that they can cheat you, and has nothing to do with scales. One is their buy price: it won't be advertised in or outside the store. The method here is to be good at "grading" to be very fast at it, and take your item as fast as they can. The other method is to underkarat the person, so if a 14K ring comes in they will give you the 10K price even though they may or may not acid test and weigh the item right in front of you, and this practice makes it appear transparent to the customer. They will weigh it in front of you in grams, but their buy price is so secret that they do not tell new employees, he will just pass the customer on to the owner and the owner gives the buy price. Very seedy.
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