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You Vs. ICCS 1939 Dollar

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 Posted 02/15/2016  6:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AgHoarder to your friends list
Busted it out of the holder and shot again. Still very hard to get the full effect of the purple toning. Much more colorful in hand.

I may get it re-graded one day. I think I can enjoy it a bit more for now.



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 Posted 02/15/2016  6:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AgHoarder to your friends list
looking back at the pictures from inside the holder, I think they actually look better
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 Posted 02/15/2016  6:44 pm  Show Profile   Check thedollarman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add thedollarman to your friends list
this is not a bad coin atall! I like it. so what was the ICCS grade?
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 Posted 02/15/2016  6:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AgHoarder to your friends list
I think technically ICCS did not penalize for the die burn even though it is a distraction. The fields are quite clean on this coin, it looks 10x better in hand than I could reproduce here. The breaks in the toning really give it a bagged look which may have thrown some off.
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 Posted 02/15/2016  7:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list
Nailed it
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 Posted 02/15/2016  7:45 pm  Show Profile   Check thedollarman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add thedollarman to your friends list
me too, thanks for the round of you vs. ICCS, lots of fun. nice coin.
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 Posted 02/15/2016  10:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list
I'm surprised that it got a 64 with that obverse rim..."the times they are a changin"..............
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 Posted 02/15/2016  11:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list
Yeah,despite the nice fields, the burn and the rim put it out of MS64 range IMO.


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."the times they are a changin"..............
Seems more and more like you only need look at the obverse fields to grade MS coins ala ICCS.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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 Posted 02/16/2016  01:04 am  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list
That certificate had a two-digit prefix though... it should have been slightly stricter in its grading.

If that was a nickel dollar - ICCS would grade it MS-60...
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That certificate had a two-digit prefix though... it should have been slightly stricter in its grading.
Just shows how far back this type of grading started.
IMO only the ICCS slabs with the embossed certificate are truly consistently and conservatively graded.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
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 Posted 02/18/2016  4:31 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list
You have to take into consideration, the Characteristics of the coin. Almost without exception 1939 Silver Dollars have poor rims and dentils. Also with die burn it is part of the minting process and quite prevalent of virtually all business strike 1939 Silver dollars to some degree.
Die burn may take away from eye appeal but not from the Technical grade.
Quite simply put it is impossible to grade all dates within the Silver Dollar series the same . It is akin to trying to grade Morgan dollars to the same standards for all mints and years, it does not work.
As to the posters coin in this thread easy to see a 64 grade. Nice coin.
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did a lot of these
get melted ?
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Relative to the other mintages from the era, half of them could have been melted and I don't know if it would matter. VF20 through MS63 on j&m is $20-35.
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 Posted 02/19/2016  06:44 am  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list
Yes a lot were melted. The non distributed coins returned from the Canada Post Office were the first to be melted.This was in the early 1940s. Future run ups in silver account for many more being melted. Probably well over half of the original mintage is gone forever. That still leaves lots out there. Easily available in all grades upto and including MS65. Be picky when looking to acquire one of these as there are plenty to choose from.
Coins that have the purple blue toning such as the OP coin, a good strike with minimal obverse rim issues and strong dentils are key issues when looking for a 1939 Dollar. The lustre can be anywhere from slightly satiny in appearance to a very heavy frost. You will infrequently encounter the odd piece with a slight die polish to it with numerous die swirl and polish marks in the field. This will have a heavy cameo portrait . These are scarce and quite spectacular.
Also there are Specimens out there as well.
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