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"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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02/22/2016 5:12 pm
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I dont think the term ghost fits here, a ghost is something (center image of opposite die) pressed into place within the die over time and more often associated with Die Deterioration. just my opinion Edited by Alexer
02/22/2016 5:52 pm
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Alexer question here is a picture of a loonie. I have this 2013 loonie. the security mark appears to be top of the queens hair. that security mark is meant to be on the reverse side and it is. them how could it be on the obverse side. would be ghosting is this what you mean.  |
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No Rocky thats not what I'm referring to. But there are 2 types of ghosting I'm aware of the other one is a grease ghost, neither one of these terms really fit here. IMO Let wait and see what SPP has to say..  Edited by Alexer
02/22/2016 6:52 pm
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I have removed my initial post to this thread because I was in error. Since I really don't collect small cents, I didn't realize until later thinking about it and looking again that this was not just a simple clash of the reverse onto the obverse. I now realize that the anomaly is quite scarce, but misidentified. Nice find, but the wrong words inside the plastic.
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02/23/2016 05:11 am
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Type II counter clash is not common, in fact I think quite scarce.
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I can see how the 'ghost' wording spread around since 2003, even CoinsandCanada used it and a lot of people use C&C daily.
If Chadcoins was the first to find one then I guess he can call it whatever he wants I just dont agree with the word ghost being used as its a type 2 counter clash.
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The term 'ghost' or 'ghosting' refers to the strong flow of metal so much into one side, that the outline of that image can be seen on the other side of the coin. UK pennies from Edward VII and George V show this the best.  You also see ghosting on uniface strikes.  This is not a simple die clash, but a Type II counter-clash. Quote:
Type II counter clash is not common, in fact I think quite scarce.  , yes it is very scarce in Canadian coins. Quote:
As for CCCS they just called it as books were calling this variety.It is good to see other coins being found with interest. Just because someone published it (in this case, MKB owns the publication company) - does not mean it is correct... "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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This variety there wasn't much interest in it and almost declared it for the Darwin Award for a variety that killed its self in the past. Going to follow the ebay auction close. After looking at it again you guys are correct with the Type II Counter Clash. OK!! I'm doing 50 push ups,50 jumping jacks,and 50 sit ups for coin punishment. |
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OK!! I'm doing 50 push ups,50 jumping jacks,and 50 sit ups for coin punishment I know that feeling..lol If that coin was listed as type 2 counter clash it may attract some high end error guys..  |
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Alexer said Quote:
Type II counter clash is not common, in fact I think quite scarce. SPP said Quote:
yes it is very scarce in Canadian coins. Look at the three "ghost" coins in the following discussion,one of which is chadcoins discovery piece on page two. http://www.numicanada.com/forum/vie...777&start=45Look at the CCCS coin on ebay from SPP's original post. They are all different. If type II counterclashes are so rare how can four different ones appear on 2003 old effigy cents. Odds against this are compelling. Can some error expert please explain? Seems more likely that something else is the cause, but what I don't know. "Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
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I'm no expert but how about this.
The 'press operator's' may have changed the die's out several times before realizing the problem was stemming from a broken or stressed machine part (maybe even a washer) as a small pieces of metal kept breaking off and ending up in the striking chamber. It is only 2003's so far as I know.
Is that possible?
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DBM, I never followed this variety much and now gained interest again. I found only 2 of these and there the same as in my picture. Very interesting variations that others are finding of this die clash!!
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