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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Quote: Some fairly strong accusations in that statement, and certainly in your title... Any actual evidence to back up these strong accusations? Hence the question mark in the title? I think this is a scam (artificially toned) but I am not 100% positive so I asked the question. I have seen ASE's with black spots, (not in my collection) but others have posted pictures. I don't think a 5 year old coin could tone that much without assistance.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1211 Posts |
Very curious as to what part of this qualifies as a scam, as the OP so boldly suggests?
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
1247 Posts |
Quote: Very curious as to what part of this qualifies as a scam, as the OP so boldly suggests? selling at coins as natural toned.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
1949 Posts |
Quote: I don't think a 5 year old coin could tone that much without assistance. Quote: Quote: Very curious as to what part of this qualifies as a scam, as the OP so boldly suggests?
selling at coins as natural toned. So, let me see if I understand... Because you do not believe the coins could have toned naturally, and despite the fact the coin is graded and authenticated by ANACS, and deemed market acceptable, this is a SCAM? Quote: the dude did his toning process afterwards. I do not understand the basis of these accusations with no evidence whatsoever. If you could present any evidence or facts, that would be one thing, but I am greatly concerned about threads like this where someone is blindly accusing another of outright fraud, with no evidence to support these bold statements whatsoever. There is certainly a danger with threads like these, which seem to becoming more frequent, to quickly denigrate into outright hatchet jobs.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
1247 Posts |
I am asking other peoples opinions. It is possible to "AT" coin in a slab. I changed the title of the thread to be more of a question.
Not looking to hatchet the guy, I am asking other peoples opinions.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1812 Posts |
My late Brother and Coin Dealer from the mid 1980's to around 2005, would always look for a angle to try and scam anyone he could (and be proud of it).. Reading this thread, my minds-eye flashes back to 2001, when he made connections with Coin Doctors that would teach him how to improve coin surfaces, and sold my brother a Coin Toning Set with instructions recommeding different types of toning for Bust Coinage and Morgans.. The toned coins here look like his work.. He had fooled a lot of people with his salesman's skills (he could sell snow in Alaska & sand in the Dessert), that being said, he went to far when he Toned over 20 ASE's with the same color contrast as his Morgan dollars.. I recall how this smooth talker stumbled over his words when he was asked "How can a new Eagle have the same Natural Toning as your Morgans"... I spent a few years with him on the Coin Show Circuit sharing a Spot (I was buying & selling errors & Broken Bank Notes) so as not to interfere with his Numismatic interest.. I can tell you that behind the scenes, I have witnessed numerous Dealers that shared my late brothers ill habits in making a profit at all costs... In the end it all fell apart the last 8 years of his life... I believe it was Karma
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New Member
United States
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ok so I went back and the seller does not say natural toned or artificial toning. his return policy protects himself. he has a bunch of 2010 toned coins. I would be suspect but he does not say natural or artificial. I would no accuse him of anything but as the saying goes if it looks too good to be true...
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Over 1000 feedback, 100% top rated seller.
He does have a rather large selection of toned coins, many bullseye.
I agree that many different coins having near identical "art" toning probably indicates that the coins have had help getting that toning.
He is also selling them without negative reviews.
I wouldn't buy one, but I wouldn't go to the extreme of screaming scam, either.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I've heard of poking a small hole in a slab to "gas" the coin to create artificial toning them resealing the pinhole. Although I've never seen varified examples so I can't speak to that plus I don't think gassing could only cause rim toning.
Edited by Cascade 02/29/2016 1:38 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
7390 Posts |
That said though, dont let the date fool you. Silver eagles are highly prone to naturally toning very quickly in the right condions so the date is irrelevant 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1211 Posts |
Jdmern gets it. There are indeed a growing number of dangerous threads like this one. Witch hunts with no evidence and worse yet, no argument to support the claims.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
12437 Posts |
Quote: 5 year old silver coins don't tone that fast without help. Not true at all, the .9993 silver content of Eagles tones quite easily in a natural environment. I personally have had silver eagles develop vivid purple and blue toning after less than two years of album storage.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1812 Posts |
I'm curious if Natural Toning differs in different States?
I live about 60 miles North of NYC..
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Pillar of the Community
United States
992 Posts |
If people are silly enough to pay 10 times the normal price for a BU Eagle coin because of toning, then they have created the market that takes them for a ride.
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Valued Member
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I'd need to see the coin in person ; the thin film interference equation seems out of balance for the colors shown and is oddly equal on both sides. Regardless, I wouldn't pay a premium for a spotty coin.
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