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Japanese Coins... Took The Plunge!

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 Posted 03/17/2016  11:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list
I'm considering doing a set like this, but if so, it wouldn't be via lots. Far too expensive for my budget!
Also, no silver (or minimal silver). Again, far too expensive.

That aside... the Meiji era copper sen and (especially) rin coins will probably be the hardest to get (unless I'm forgetting some really rare type). Never seen any for sale so far (except online, obviously).
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 Posted 03/17/2016  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mister Kairu to your friends list
Will have to double check what all I need but will keep you in mind good sir! Keep us updated on what you get I always wondered how the "2+ pounds" sort of listings turn out for the people who buy them.
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 Posted 03/17/2016  1:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list
The Meiji sen are actually very common, but pricy in AU/BU. The 1 rin is a very rare and expensive coin, being the equivalent of the US "mill" which the Mint never saw fit to make due to negligible purchasing power. 1/2 sen coins can either be denominated as such, or as 5 rin. Meiji and Taisho 1/2 sen are fairly common, but anything denominated as 5 rin is much more scarce.

Aside from that, the big ones (barring gold, patterns and the large silver Yen) are the WWII occupation coinage, and especially the clay and porcelain 1, 5, and 10 sen coins--each $50+ coins.

As of right now, my collection includes the full set of modern coinage, save for some single-year experimental metal changes, and no NCLT and only some of the commemorative issues. I do have some nicer pre-WWII coins, the best of which are an AU 1880s 20 sen, and an XF ca 1900 5 sen with a very improperly mixed planchet.
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 Posted 03/17/2016  2:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mister Kairu to your friends list
I keep a lookout every once in a while on graded early Japan copper. A couple awesome deals I found were here. Also I have compromised to get my two Meiji Yen coins as problem ones. One with a small hole and the other possibly cleaned but just went cheaper than most I see on sale. Keep a watchful eye and deals with find you! :)

https://goccf.com/t/246244&SearchTerms=japan
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 Posted 03/17/2016  7:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list
Historically most Japanese coins have been severely undervalued except for some excessively rare gold coins which were stored in the Bank of Japan. I guess it was only the last 5 years that the prices have slowly gone up.

Fortunately many of the base metal coins in strong XF+ condition are still very very affordable if you are not looking for key dates. Wait till you start a type set album... that will quickly lead you to a downfall...
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 Posted 03/30/2016  11:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list
Got them in the mail yesterday! I was able to sort them by type and will go through to cherry pick as time allows. Most of the coins were aluminum or zinc, so there were a LOT of coins for that 2.2 pounds!

Here is a readout of what was included, in order of most to least:

50 sen, small type 1947-48 (probably 75+, grades F to XF)

10 sen, 1944 zinc type (50+)

10 sen, 1940-43 aluminum type (25-50)

10 sen, post-war aluminum 1945-46 (30+)

5 sen, post-war aluminum type 1945-46 (30+)

1 sen, imperial crest bronze Taisho/Showa (25+)

1 sen, bird design aluminum 1938-40 (25+)

1 sen, Mt Fuji aluminum 1941-43 (25+)

5 sen, aluminum war type 1941-43 (20+)

1 sen, 1944 zinc type (20+ and most ruined by zinc rot)

1 yen, 1949 bronze type (20+)

10 yen, Taisho/Showa sacred mirror type (10+)

1 sen, Meiji dragon (5-10)

5 sen, 1944 zinc (5)

1 sen, bird design large bronze 1938 (4)

1/2 sen, Meiji dragon (3)

5 yen, pigeon/ temple design 1948-49 (3)

10 sen, bronze waves design (3)

10 sen, holed nickel early WWII (3)

50 sen, large bronze 1937 (3)

5 sen, bronze waves design (2)

5 sen, WWII zinc 1944 (2)

5 sen, Taisho/Showa sacred mirror (2)

2 sen, Meiji dragon (1)

1 sen, Taisho rising sun (beautiful chocolate toned XF/AU)

Lot also contained a handful (10ish) of 1 and 4 mon coins, one that I need to work to ID, and a French IndoChina 1/4 cent.

So between this lot and the coins I already have, I believe I have an *entire* type coin set of Showa 1926-1989 (excluding commemoratives and patterns) and a good chunk of Meiji and Taisho. Now to sell the duplicates to have fodder for the silver
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 Posted 03/30/2016  1:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mister Kairu to your friends list
Nice! yeah a lot like that and my type album would be mostly full. Just haven't gotten around to getting those mid-1900s other than looking at really high examples (to see if I can find others that will go for less than $15).
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 Posted 03/30/2016  5:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list
The 1945-1950 coinage seems to be tricky. They all have high (100M+) mintages, and each design was in place for only 1-3 years before being pulled and replaced. They do not circulate and will never show up in a "foreign exchange" lot, and hardcore collectors of Japanese coins don't really collect them.

The zinc coins I think will be some real sleepers for the series. Based on the level of zinc rot, I think that preserved specimens may command some real premiums in another few decades. I'll post some pictures--the one sen coins are so ugly that I could sell them as "Salvaged from a crashed Zero in the Pacific" on ebay.
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 Posted 03/30/2016  10:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list
There are some scarcer variety if I recall correctly. You might want to look for those while you are at it.

Examples include the weight variety of various aluminum coins and the Showa 14 variety on 1 sen coin. (writing this off from memory so I could be wrong)
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 Posted 03/31/2016  09:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list
Right. According to Numista, 1 sen made in late 1943 were .1g lighter. I wasn't aware that they were "scarce" per se, but was going to see if I had any in the lot.

At any rate, the seller knows their Japanese coins, so I assume they have already been searched thoroughly. I suppose there is always room for an error however.
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 Posted 03/31/2016  09:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mister Kairu to your friends list
Should be fun! And you are right I haven't seen too many of the aluminum/zinc coins in super high grades (granted I haven't searched thoroughly for them yet) but maybe someday
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 Posted 03/31/2016  10:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list
I made this site a long time ago - back in 2009 (!) when my design skills were absolute mediocre. That said, it has the important information of the aluminum coins that I am talking about.

http://gxseries.com/numis/japantype...e_modern.htm

Take note of the various weight variety of the coins struck in between 1939 to 1943.

This is a variety that is often missed. I believe this came from a junk lot as it was terribly scratched.

Japanese-Coins...-Took-The-Plunge!

And this is the normal variety:

Japanese-Coins...-Took-The-Plunge!

The key difference is the stroke of the number "4". The left stroke in the number 4 is a straight line instead of a square like stroke.
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 Posted 04/01/2016  12:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list

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The zinc coins I think will be some real sleepers for the series. Based on the level of zinc rot, I think that preserved specimens may command some real premiums in another few decades. I'll post some pictures--the one sen coins are so ugly that I could sell them as "Salvaged from a crashed Zero in the Pacific" on ebay.

That's the tin coins right?

They're my favorites in the Japanese series because of the tin thing (not many coins made of tin around, especially 20th century) - the beautiful designs don't hurt either.

I'll definitely have to look for the 1945-50 types - apparently I don't have any. Missing many of the earlier 1940s and 1930s types too... a long way from a type set!


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I made this site a long time ago - back in 2009 (!) when my design skills were absolute mediocre.

I hope you have a better example of the Chrysanthemum 5 sen now. The one you have pictured is nearly unreadable (which is sad for me because this type is my oldest Japanese coin so far).
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 Posted 04/01/2016  10:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list
january - I've made a digital Japan type set album a while back. As mentioned, that was designed more than 6 years ago and the quality is just not there. I was supposed to update a while back but just have too many fields to tackle. I've supposedly a fair bit of Soviet coinage as well but never got around to presenting what I have (!)

For some reason I cannot post a direct link due to copyright reasons but I am the one who made it and do own the copyright. I do own all of the coins in it as well!

https://www.cointalk.com/threads/ne...sent.265635/

Otherwise you can google " Japan type set (1870 - Present) by gxseries " and it might be within the first few links.

You can check both links out for reference. Other albums may be of interest such as the Soviet type set album. All I know is that it will be very hard to outdo the Japan type set album design.
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 Posted 04/01/2016  11:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidUK to your friends list
Off the back of seeing this post I ordered 6 coins from the seller.

They were individually listed and the postage costs are excessive, but buying 6 from the same seller I am hoping they will be combined and I will get a refund for the postage savings...

I will make a separate post so that I might be educated on what I have bought (since I am pretty clueless about these coins)
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