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Bedrock of the Community
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 Beautiful coin. |
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The argument that CBHs with lustrous "shiny" surfaces have been altered is quite week. The argument that a nearly 200-year-old silver coin can remain nearly blast white and still be completely original is weak. A dipping is not necessarily a bad thing since it does not affect the luster if done properly. I think this coin was dipped in the 1950's - 1970's and has since album toned. Again, nice coin, but I highly doubt the the top layer of silver atoms are the same ones that were on the top when this coin was pulled from circulation in the early 1800's. Is the preservation of this top layer of atoms the definition of surface originality? |
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wish I had this one in my collection
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If a CBH was put away the year it was minted and stored somewhere until now, would it not have bright white shiny surfaces? Perhaps even some of the original atoms? Especially in higher AU or MS condition where it likely did not circulate very long and most likely was put away in a collection.
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Dipped and with slight hairlines on the reverse.
I would pass on it unless it's a real "steal" price wise.
1830's AU-58's are a bit down in price right now, so you should be able to find one that's better looking and affordable.
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06/25/2016 10:45 pm
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It's not a "steal" but a good price nonetheless. Full return privileges so I can check it out up close and personal before making a final decision.
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I think I would be happy with this coin.
This one looks much better than my 1832 AU cleaned one.
I feel pictures and lighting do not always show how a coin
really looks.
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Definitely no substitute for seeing it in hand, Syeb. I agree with your approach.  |
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If a CBH was put away the year it was minted and stored somewhere until now, would it not have bright white shiny surfaces? Perhaps even some of the original atoms? Especially in higher AU or MS condition where it likely did not circulate very long and most likely was put away in a collection. Think about it this way. How airtight were the storing mechanisms for coins back in the 1830's? I feel they weren't airtight at all. Also, since it never saw much circulation, I would think it never left the vicinity of the northeast US. In the next hundred years, this area became heavily industrialized, so tons of sulfur was pumped into the atmosphere. Since the coin was likely not in an airtight container, it would have reacted to the abundance of sulfur in its environment. The original atoms would have bonded to make Ag2S. There are some dips that reverse the reaction and leave the original silver atoms, but you are taking away the naturally-aquired sulfur atoms as well. |
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Well I received the coin. Beautiful and the scratches mentioned can barely be seen in a 5X loupe. Definitely a keeper. It'a an O-105a, R4 rarity so that's a nice bonus. Sorry my pics are a bit blurry. Phone is acting up.   |
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People telling you that a shiny, lustrous AU or MS Bust has been dipped might as well be telling you that the sky is blue. It's not an issue, it's just common sense. Yes, there are many original-surfaces coins out there, of course, and they command significantly higher premiums in many cases (except for some really crusty ones where the eye appeal is so low that the originality is made largely irrelevant.)
I think your coin is quite attractive & you should enjoy it as is.
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Very nice coin. |
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It looks fine to me as problem-free AU+ piece. I'd have no problem justifying AU58 money for it.
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Thanks for the moral support - it's the post-purchase feeling that always needs the extra boost! I think I paid a fair price for it. $550 - so above AU55 money but certainly fair given the AU58 grade on the slab and being a rare variety (R4) for the date.
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06/28/2016 11:51 pm
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People telling you that a shiny, lustrous AU or MS Bust has been dipped might as well be telling you that the sky is blue. It's not an issue, it's just common sense. Yes, there are many original-surfaces coins out there, of course, and they command significantly higher premiums in many cases (except for some really crusty ones where the eye appeal is so low that the originality is made largely irrelevant.) Yes, exactly! I was just being technical, and I was in no way trying to belittle your  coin. |
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