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Valued Member
United States
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I'm lurking in the PM forum mostly right now, simply because I don't have the spare cash to be stacking at the moment. If I did, I would probably be buying now though.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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For me, personally, I learned how to turn .999 into $ without having to sell the .999 outright. Only labor is involved. If you're into ca$h and you love ca$h then just gamble and learn how to justify your addiction to cotton money. I don't gamble. I work hard. Back 6 years ago when I learned about fiat money and fractional reserve banking it was only about that. Today, for me, it's all about using that knowledge but still working hard at it. Lots of people want to buy and sell, hawk items like it's selling drugs. I fabricate. I manufacture. I work with my hands. I don't buy and sell; that's for idiots with lots of cash to burn into the atmosphere.
My takeaways this last decade: 1) learn about Forms. That is, why a certain element costs the way it does and the labor involved in making it. (Sheet vs tube vs wire vs coin vs shiny-shiny) 2) don't be a flipper. You're too far down the pipeline to make a profit even if you see the "spot price" (lol) going up. "Premiums" are just a better way of saying "real price" and "spot/melt price" is a nice way of saying you the market are being played like a sucker with fictitious fiat mumbo jumbo. If you don't buy gold daily then you don't know what the price is. For real. And if you're flipping daily you're being played. Think of PM as "stock" for your business. If you're unemployed and you think that PM is an out, then just get a job and save yourself a huge amount of heartache. I've never lost on silver or gold and it's because I know the business intimately, daily. If you don't work, then you're losing, and that's where the problem lies because all people see is fiat numbers instead of labor and hard work, how to make money FROM stock. Buying the coin or the shiny-shiny makes you zero money because you are the en-consumer.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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In the last "run up" you saw within 8 years the POS rise from $6 all the way to almost $50!
That's very VERY impressive. Currently this year the POS has gone from $14 to $20.... which is great gains but certainly nothing to really brag about...
I think there's still some interest brewing but it will be more of the tortise and less the hare..
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Valued Member
Canada
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Good stuff there, Libertad, thank you. I recently bought a couple silver bullion coins, not because I thought the price was nice (it isn't really, by my guess, but what do I know...) but because it's a bit of a fetish, and not much more. I like the shiny. I like the technologies and arts involved. As a pleb, I agree: the money in PM is if you work it into something of value, not in the mere possession of it. Be it wire-work, casting or other (I've seen some amazing rings made from old silver coins).
All that said, if the price were lower I'm sure I'd have bought more, lol.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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'The next recession is coming' lol good one! IMO we've been in a recession for the last eight or nine years. Silver is up almost 40% over the last year, but I won't get excited till the $30's or $40's.
When I listen to LED ZEPPELIN...so do my neighbors... Roll hunting since '77 Dirt fishing since '72
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: 'The next recession is coming' lol good one! IMO we've been in a recession for the last eight or nine years. There is a definition to a recession, you know. That definition is precise and is not dependant on anyone's opinion. I can assure you that we have not been in a dpression for 8 or 9 years. If we had then we would be in a depression.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3789 Posts |
like someone else said, the moves have been not "eye catching" in a sense.
As I have said tho, BREAKING A 4 YEAR PLUS DOWNTREND IS A BIG DEAL. But the general public cannot grasp the importance of this and as this continues to grind out higher, I think the public will continue to say "meh".
Perhaps if we can see gold get too and break above the all time high then some interest will start to grow there. But even then, I would imagine if we got to the all time highs around 1921ish, the public would say "oh its gone too high, no way it goes higher, its going right back down"... and gold breaks that and starts moving towards the 3s well then that might bring the frenzy....
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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IMO when silver goes above $25, and gold breaks $1400 that's when the investors start to take notices.
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Valued Member
United States
51 Posts |
I was a silversmith and goldsmith for over 30 years. Metals don't always behave the way you expect them to. They can fluctuate pretty wildly, and crash after a huge run-up, but nobody ever knows where the peak is. Nevertheless, precious metals do end up increasing in (dollar) value over a long enough period of time because of inflation. I've been stashing away silver for years (can't afford gold), primarily as a way to save. In the event of a "wheels come off the bus" scenario, identifiable silver coins like 1964 and earlier US dimes, quarters, halves and silver dollars will be accepted widely as a medium of exchange when when it takes a wheelbarrow full of paper money to buy a loaf of bread.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: There is a definition to a recession, you know. That definition is precise and is not dependant on anyone's opinion. I can assure you that we have not been in a dpression for 8 or 9 years. If we had then we would be in a depression. I sure do wish I could make any sense out of this.
When I listen to LED ZEPPELIN...so do my neighbors... Roll hunting since '77 Dirt fishing since '72
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3789 Posts |
I think one point that people are missing on this thread and other places are that we can see equity markets rise AND PMs, together in tandem, despite economic conditions.
One does NOT need to see a "Depression" to see Pms rise, we are seeing that RIGHT NOW. Many equity markets are rising or at all time highs while PMs ALSO are at yearly highs.
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Valued Member
United States
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I'm convinced that all the markets -- equity, debt, commodities including precious metals, currencies, etc. -- are all manipulated. Money goes where the best perceived deal is, but if it's all fixed, then the money goes where the fixers want it to go. People claim that the equity market represents real shares of real businesses, but what shares trade at is not a real function of performance, but a function of what investors think (or are told) is hot. What tends to be tracked primarily is performance of stocks (which go up and down independently of P/E ratios), rather than the performance of the businesses themselves. People will look at quarterly profits, but not much else -- and respond disproportionately to them. Also, the effort to maximize quarterly returns often leads to short-sighted business practices that hurt profits and stability in the long run.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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What is there to talk about? If you're stacking you're stacking. Those that have been doing it since the last run-up have nothing new to talk about. A krugerrand is a krugerrand. You ought to see the decline in traffic on Paleo sites over the same period. Everyone's talked out.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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Valued Member
United States
493 Posts |
Stackers might be moving back to numismatic plays with prices going back up again, that and haha, why buy the metal, buy the miners, look at them go. Fresnillo banked 500 million just the first half of this year, mostly pulling silver out of the ground, who's buying?, somebody. I picked up 100 oz. for 1550, a few nick nacks, a few pandas to try to complete a collection, and that's it for the year. That, and maybe waiting patiently to complete another cycle. With a ten year range of between $7 and and nearly $50 I don't need the risk myself. Might be awhile for a recession yet, we are riding the easy money train.
Edited by everything 08/11/2016 5:57 pm
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