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 Posted 10/26/2016  8:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list
Alright maybe famous was a bit too much.
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 Posted 10/26/2016  8:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list
Were the blanks for the 1859 cents produced by The Royal Mint or were they supplied by an outside source ?
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 Posted 10/26/2016  9:00 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list
The Royal Mint contracted out the making of 10 million one-cent blanks to the Heaton and Sons Mint in Birmingham.
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 Posted 10/26/2016  9:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list
You all should remember that the Canadian Cent was going to be the same diameter as the Brit halfpenny, but 1/3 thinner. They also were going to made out of bronze, NOT copper, as were all the rest of the small Brit denominations (farthing, halfpenny and penny). The bronze required for the Canadian cent would have been a new product alloy for Heaton. ASlso remember that there are some brasses (naval and medalic) that are up to 95% copper but the majority of the other metals is zinc.
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 Posted 10/28/2016  4:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list
@JHax.

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I, too, owned a genuine brass cent


Did you have it authenticated?.. and, if you did, great price..
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 Posted 10/28/2016  8:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rocky to your friends list
question if a collector had one of these coins. that the only thing visible on the coin is queen Victoria. would that coin have any value.
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 Posted 10/28/2016  9:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rocky to your friends list
i was wondering also. could it be possible to have a 1884 Canadian penny made out of bronze. would that have any value. if it is bronze
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 Posted 10/28/2016  9:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paulsz to your friends list
rocky, did you mean brass? Because all large cents (except the ones like in this post :P) are bronze.
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 Posted 10/28/2016  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rocky to your friends list
sorry my mistake Paulsz yes brass. I had some thing happen to me today. that has never happen to me before. I was on a game trail walking. I had a large bear drop out of a oak tree. landing right beside me. it happen so fast I never moved. he almost fell on top of me. I was just telling my wife. when I typed the wrong metal. she said did you try the bear spray. I said I would have if I could have moved fast enough. I keep thinking why did I not see him in the tree. when he hit the ground he stood up. I looked up into his eyes. I thought this is going to be bad. he run away roaring. I thought thank you. I am out of here,,, now.
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 Posted 10/28/2016  10:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paulsz to your friends list
wow... that's pretty intense :S I'm glad it turned out okay though.

Edit: To answer your question, yes a brass 1884 would be valuable and pretty rare. But I'm not sure if the 1859 is a variety or if it was just an error. The 1884 brass version would be (if existing) an error of metal composition.

just my opinion
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 Posted 10/28/2016  11:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JHax to your friends list
SHAFTA9a--Being certain it was genuine the minute I saw it, I left my brass 1859 raw in my collection for decades. Then, when I finally decided its price had risen to an absolutely insane level for just a mint error, I had it analyzed and then had it certified by ICCS before it went to a new owner.
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 Posted 10/28/2016  11:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JHax to your friends list
And, rocky, you've got to quit playing with bears! They're dangerous! My wife and I see them once in awhile when we go hiking, but we give them plenty of room...
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 Posted 10/29/2016  10:46 am  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list

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I had it analyzed and then had it certified by ICCS before it went to a new owner.


Any chance you wrote down and saved those results?

As for playing with bears... that comes with my career...
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 Posted 10/29/2016  5:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JHax to your friends list
Of course I did, Roger. Remember I also had a couple of bronze pieces from the same die pair analyzed and was going to publish a paper. And, of course, I have photos of it, too. Because of the planned paper I'm reluctant to share the details here (one of the rare cases where I am reluctant to share), but I'll send it to you. I will say that the die pair was 8 + E10 and bronze pieces from the same die were struck before and after the brass.

Ask Grizzly Man about bears. Oh, that's right, he's not talking!
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 Posted 10/29/2016  7:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rocky to your friends list
JHax thank you for the info. I will buy the 2 coins from this gentleman in 3 weeks time. the one he thinks is a 1859 victoria. all you can see on the coin is the queens image. the coin 1884 that coin is in excellent condition. it would be about a UNC. but I am no grader so I will find out after I get them. I have something he wants really bad. a very special envelope. that has a special stamp and cancel. I think I will let him have that. JHAX if I get them. I will post photos here thank you. SPP-Ottawa I like the way you do thing. most people would not even think of cutting them coins out. but I understand why you did. excellent
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