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Please Can You Predict The Grade Of This 1921 Morgan

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 Posted 11/29/2016  10:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lucky Cuss to your friends list
First off, welcome. Second, nice photography.

What looks like some abrasion to Liberty's hair just above her ear also inclines me to a grade in the AU range, and I concur that thus there'd be little point to submitting it.

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What grade could it get if I resubmit for grading?


Rereading that, was it in fact once certified and then cracked out of its slab?

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 Posted 11/29/2016  4:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list
mid AU, not worth spending the money for a TPG.
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AU-58, very attractive.



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AU58. I dont personally like the look of this coin. to me it appears to have been improperly stored
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I think it will go MS-64. What was the grade before you cracked it out? Or is it still in a holder?
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Clear friction rub above and below ear - AU55-AU58. The eye appeal is low. I would not waste the money on TPG slabbing for this particular Morgan, as the cost to grade it would be 50-100% of its market value.
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The toning is making this one hard to grade but I believe the coin is MS. The toning does make it challenging to assess the high points for wear but what is leasing me to believe it is MS instead of AU is the lack of little scratches and scuffing distributed throughout the fields that you very often see on AU-55/58 coins. The strike is a little soft. My guess is MS-64.
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AU-58.
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Thanks to all who responded (and for the welcome!). I know very little about US coinage so am on a steep learning curve!

The coin is currently graded NGC MS64.

I have several examples of morgans in old NGC fatty holders and read somewhere they are strong contenders for upgrades when resubmitted today - grading was a little stricter 30 years ago in general as I understand it?
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 Posted 11/30/2016  09:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lucky Cuss to your friends list

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The coin is currently graded NGC MS64.


The judgment at that time must've been that the lack of full hair detail above the ear was due to an incomplete strike, and not minimal wear.

There is as you've read a profit to be made resubmitting older certified coins if a higher grade can be expected under current standards. With the 1921, there's a modest premium to be had at MS65, and real money comes into play at MS66. That said, I think that flatness above the ear might limit it to MS64 even today, and I think there is the downside risk that it comes back AU upon a second look. If it were mine, I'd stand pat.

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thanks for the response Lucky Cuss,

understood and was thinking exactly that - quit while I'm ahead! I'm confused how a coin could drop from MS64 to AU though - surely there is a process to the grading which means worst case it comes back as a 62 / 63 or is that what you mean by AU?

I've read something somewhere which mentioned the strike on the 1921 was particularly weak.
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