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This is where eye appeal comes in and has little to do with the technical grade.
Grading the coin strictly by a technical examination this example most certainly deserves a MS-67.
As for eye appeal, it depends on how long you have looked for and with how many Isabella's you've flirted. I looked for my own forever before I found one I loved, and this one is NICER than mine. The toning is beautiful, in my eyes.
So for the "look" of the coin, it sometimes takes a while to go from "MUST BE BRIGHT" to "love dat color ting".
Let's see your Isabella that you thought was better than a 67.
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I'm not into Isabella's, but this is a solid 67 to me . The beautiful toning makes this coin . Eye appeal is right up there .  |
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 Super coin. |
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hello I learn something here almost every day, one of which is that the toning has little to no bearing on the grade. I will say that I was impressed by the strike and beauty on this coin. the toning is what put me off, but if in your eyes the toning makes a coin even better, super... I just prefer the coins come looking as close as they can when they were originally minted. I guess each to his own. I am of the "shiny" class of collectors. of course, expecting that in a coin that is one hundred years old or more is being a little optimistic. I also did not know that Amazon was in the business of selling coins, wonder if they beat ebay as far as the fees and such go... thanks to all that responded... mike |
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If you browse heritage, you will find many highly graded Liberty Seated and Morgans with MS66/67 grades that are awfully toned. The technical grade and eye appeal are different stories.
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Market Graded MS67. There is a divot on the woman's cheek on the reverse and also what appears to be a hit behind her head. On the Obverse there are hits on Isabella's cheek and on her collar. These marks alone would easily normally preclude a MS67 grade. This practice of giving a higher grade because of the toning or rarity is BS and quite unacceptable. MS65 or MS66 on a GOOD day  |
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On some coins toning looks awesome. On other coins, it makes the coin look silly. Overall, a very good coin, but I have to agree with trout1105. This coin is slightly overgraded.
As an aside, I still don't know how PCGS, NGC, or NWA can tell the difference between a MS69 and MS70.
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I am with Trout as the coin is market graded MS67.
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To 4504: I agree with you that a perfect coin should be as if it had just been struck.
For that reason, I prefer blast white pristine silver coins to toned examples. I would think that a blast white 200 year old MS67 silver coin would be much rarer than an MS67 toned silver coin.
I also agree that attractive toning can increase eye appeal, and thus marketability - some will pay more for attractive toning. It's just that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Delicate attractive varied color toning is VERY delicate, and tends to be in an unstable state of transition to darker toning, where color is lost.
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Thank you Trout. For listing the reasons and evidence. Simply saying "I think so," or "I think not," isn't very informative. I'm not a skilled grader outside of Morgans, but this is how I learn.
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Trout seems to have quite an ability to grade MS60 and better coins.
I envy that talent.
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My Quest for the perfect Canberra Florin has been a somewhat expensive but enlightening grading experience with MS Silver coins.  |
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I think that it is a really nice coin, but I would have to see it in person to know for sure. Toning like this is the look that collectors want in an Isabella Quarter. The "white coins" usually don't cut it because they have almost all been dipped. Given the long standing weakness in old commemorative coin market, this price is strong, the coin could be a treasure for those who like these coins with totally original surfaces. |
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Some dealers' photography is not as professional as others. I've dealt with the subject seller numerous times to my satisfaction but their photography is definitely lacking. If you've been collecting for any length of time you've probably seen two photos of the same coin that you'd swear were different pieces. Don't put 100 % faith in pictures.
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