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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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Thanks for all the responses so far. Seems like many see an AU coin. Where are you seeing wear?
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
94367 Posts |
Agree apparent lack of luster suggests light circulation. AU-55.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
12057 Posts |
AU53. Only small amounts of luster remain and only in protected areas and around the legends and devices. Nice reverse die crack. TPG probably said AU53 or AU55. It's also a very solid strike, which helps. Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3843 Posts |
Everything you would want in a nice AU-55 coin. Congrats!
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
18696 Posts |
I have it at AU53, however the green tinges over the surfaces may be from being in a flip for a while OR its just the lighting giving off that tone.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
11898 Posts |
Thanks to all for your informed thoughts and assessments. I love this coin for its unmarked surfaces and lack of signs of wear. William Barber's design elements are all there to see in plenty of detail. Luster has faded to toning, and I am told that this is to be expected from a 19th century silver coin that is hitting 140 years old. I was delighted to pay $618 for it, and was committed to paying up to $750. Gladly I accepted the slight discount. Happy collecting in the new year!  IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1095 Posts |
Beautiful coin. Happy New Year!!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3516 Posts |
Nice coin, If you like it like that, then you like it. It is not my cup of tea. it looks overdipped and lacks luster.I would've maxed out at like $375-400, but If you like it...
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
11898 Posts |
Quote:http://www.PCGS.com/Lingo/AU-58 This is for "About Uncirculated" (the grade) and "58" (the numerical designation of that grade). Also called "Almost Uncirculated-58." There is the slightest wear on the high points, even though it may be necessary to tilt the coin towards the light source to see the friction. In many cases the reverse of an AU58 coin will be fully Mint State. Less than 10% of the surface area will show luster breaks. The grade of "Borderline Unc" equates to AU58. If the above is correct, and PCGS and CAC both correctly graded this coin, then more than 90% of the coin depicted shows unbroken luster. Although some on this thread expressed that there was only some luster remaining around the devices, I think that the coin has toned to a slightly different color and is hiding the original luster. Or both PCGS and CAC got it wrong. I could see where they could miscalculate in observing slightly less than 90% luster remaining, but it would be difficult to imagine two independent graders seeing more than 90% luster on a coin that had only a small amount of luster remaining near the devices and in protected areas. I don't have the coin in hand, and I am looking at the same pictures you are. I will take a closer look when I receive it and try to post some additional pictures if they are helpful in clarifying this question. Appreciate all your input. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
11898 Posts |
Also got this today. It is toned darker than what I expected from the pictures. I still like the surfaces a lot. Thoughts on the higher res pictures?   IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10982 Posts |
The second set of pictures make it look very nice. The color and eye appeal are all there for a 58. $618 is a good price here.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21788 Posts |
This thread highlights the problems with grading toned coins using pictures, especially when they have already been slabbed. We CCF'ers do not have the advantage of grading an already slabbed coin in hand with a 10x loupe, as does the TPG'er. In addition, there always remains at least a slight temptation for TPG'ers to over grade coins. A satisfied customer with a higher grade is likely to come back with repeat business. I think AU55 is about right. There is some obvious, albeit very slight, wear on the high points of the first coin. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
11898 Posts |
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4469 Posts |
I am fine with the coin at 58. I like the toning and after seeing your photos the CAC sticker is warranted. You made a good buy on the coin.
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