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1921 Peace Dollar: You Vs. NGC

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 Posted 01/03/2017  10:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gargriff49 to your friends list
Although 4 of the 8 up for sale now in NGC holders graded at 65 look alot like your 64. But all we have are photo's to go by.
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 Posted 01/04/2017  07:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
Just a guess from these photos, MS-64
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 Posted 01/05/2017  12:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alan to your friends list
Ms65
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 Posted 01/05/2017  01:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coin197 to your friends list
If it's a 64, it would CAC, would probably make a low 65.
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 Posted 01/05/2017  08:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list
MS-64 for me.
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 Posted 01/05/2017  4:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add logantrky to your friends list
Really debating picking this up, particularly because of a 30-day return policy. Also, I would consider sending it in for regrading. Thoughts?
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 Posted 01/05/2017  5:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list
NGC guide for this is $925. You said it was offered for $100 less than that at $825. Greysheet is $725. Why not offer $750 and see what they say?

Btw, I see 100 listings for this coin in slabbed MS64 right now online starting at $600. I see some nice ones. You have a wide array of choices my friend.
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 Posted 01/05/2017  5:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
With the light coming off the slab as well(*),
it is a bit difficult to grade this one accurately.

Would have been better to photograph it raw, so we could grade it more accurately,
THEN send it off to be slabbed.

Because the TPG'er has the advantage to examine it in hand(*) with a 10x loupe(*), and we don't,
now better to just accept the TPGrader's opinion.

(*) = three reasons why the TPGrader has the advantage over us.

Almost impossible to find any tiny nicks or hairlines in this circumstance.
For me, any grade between 62 and 66 would be a guess.
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01/05/2017 6:02 pm
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 Posted 01/05/2017  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add logantrky to your friends list
@sel

Agreed. Very hard to examine the coin without seeing better pics or to see it in person. The store claims that they are unable to take better photos due to the coin being "packaged."

I think they meant "slabbed." :-/

Regardless, I'm still considering sending them an offer. I don't think I'm interested at the price they are asking, especially due to the poor photos...
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 Posted 01/07/2017  09:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadToTheBone to your friends list
I'm think MS65 and possibly as high as MS66.
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 Posted 01/07/2017  8:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list
If they accept an offer that is to your liking and have a lenient return policy (14-30 days) I think it might be worth a shot; if, once you have it in hand, you find it disagreeable, you can simply send it back.
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 Posted 01/07/2017  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add logantrky to your friends list
Looks like the best they are going to do is $810 plus tax. Not too excited about that number. I guess I'll sleep on it.
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 Posted 01/07/2017  9:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list
Did you try putting $750 in cash on the counter, and saying: "I'd like to to do a deal right now for $750. If you say no, I am have the coin I am going to buy picked out already. Would you reconsider?" Just sayin. If they say no, then move on. This is not the only 1921 Peace dollar out there. Things change a little when the money is on the counter. Don't ever raise your offer if they say no. It will ruin your credibility.
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THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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 Posted 01/07/2017  9:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list
It's a little rude and somewhat disrespectful to counter-offer twice in my opinion. I would personally advise against doing so. You have their counter, so sleeping it on it is the best path, and if you decide it's not the coin for you, walk away.
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 Posted 01/07/2017  9:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list
Very often people counter to see whether you will move from your price. You are under no obligation to do so. You are also not obligated to withdraw your original offer. I do my homework up front and come up with the best offer I can make. And I generally do not move from that number unless there are extenuating circumstances. If someone is offended that I will not raise my offer in a negotiation, them let them be offended. The seller loses if you walk away without having another chance to accept your offer. It costs them nothing to say no one more time - just be pleasant in the interaction. Just imho.

In negotiation parlance, you have a great BATNA, or many attractive alternatives to making this deal. You are in a very attractive negotiating position and you should work the deal aggressively.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS
THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com
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