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I bought the 2008 coin. I passed on the 2010 coin, because I thought it was not as nice as my 63. I know of no others in mint state, but there are likely a few out there.
http://www.victoriancent.com2011 & 2025 Fred Bowman Literary Award Winner, 2020 J. Douglas Ferguson Award Winner, & 2022 Paul Fiocca Award Winner. Life Member of RCNA.
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The rarities in my 1858 book were calculated from probabilities associated with a 150 coin random sample. Of the four full vine dies, the book had RA3 at 2% of the mintage and the other three at 0.67% of the mintage each, meaning you have about a 1 in 25 chance of finding an 1858 cent with a full vine.
The years since then have shown me that RA3 and RA1 are slightly more common than my original sample showed. RA2 and RA4 are considerably scarcer, as I only know of 5 or 6 examples of each, although more must be out there.
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Thank you for the valuable information bosox...
PCGS population report lists 90 mint state 1858s, and ICCS 129...
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01/13/2017 4:10 pm
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Thanks for the added info and links..CV..Greatly appreciated. ..and many thanks to Rob Turner for all of the details and photos for us to study with..I would be lost without all of his work and explanations.. I used the #'s and %'s from Rob's text "The 1858 Cents Of Provincial Canada" in my above posting. ( I hope that that was OK..) Quote:
I know of no others in mint state, but there are likely a few out there. Quote:
RA2 and RA4 are considerably scarcer, as I only know of 5 or 6 examples of each, ... I have a very nice RA2..and a fairly nice RA4..so I guess that I'm kind of lucky in that way.. |
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CV.. Quote:
PCGS population report lists 90 mint state 1858s, and ICCS 129...
I wonder how many of these are crossovers..? I have a few that will get down to PCGS and I won't be shipping the ICCS certs with them....so some duplication must be taking place here. |
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Absolutely...to account for cross-overs and resubmissions, I tend to subtract the total PCGS+ICCS by 30% (no scientific basis behind that, just my math trick)... so that yields about 150 mint 1858s, with no more than 6 Full Vines out there (of the 4 different varieties :)) That would make my AU58 a Top 3 ever graded coin  Edited by canadian-varieties
01/14/2017 1:15 pm
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Beautiful example, congrats.  |
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What a great looking coin CV, congrats!. Will you leave it in the NGC holder? Here's a look at the same coin, not anywhere near as nice as yours but in a later die state. Notice the additional die cracks. Cheers, Bill   |
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 All nice coins anyone of these coins would be a treasure to own I'm still waiting for the right one to come along I have several 1858's but not this one congrats to you all and thanks for sharing. |
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Pateldog you have a good for coins and I'am sure one will cross your path soon.
I was very lucky with mine I bought it years ago on a coin hunt through the New England states.
This was long before I knew anything about a full vine. I bought it because it was an 1858 only and the price $8.00 US.
I try to go on these coin hunts every year or so There are some coin shops in the US that are just glad to get rid of Canadian coins.
The cost was a lot less then what CV had to pay.
Cheers, Bill
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Here is another with the same d/c's showing..too bad about the nasty scratches..and a lot more than $ 8.00... Note that the d/c at leaf # 10 does not show yet on my cent.. It's the Turner OA2/RA3..at ~ 2%   . Edited by DEVLEC
01/15/2017 5:46 pm
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http://www.victoriancent.com2011 & 2025 Fred Bowman Literary Award Winner, 2020 J. Douglas Ferguson Award Winner, & 2022 Paul Fiocca Award Winner. Life Member of RCNA.
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Now that's a real beauty.. ..so much luster...and I'm sure that this cent has a true PCGS RD grade.. ..but it looks quite different from the HA FVFS..from 2008. The stain on the face was actually a mark on the plastic holder I'm guessing....and the clash is hard to see with these photos.. If only these pics were much bigger, it would show so much better.. Quote:
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That would make my AU58 a Top 3 ever graded coin I'm sure that there must be a couple of other top 2's out there.. Can anyone post their best OF1/RA2..if possible..? ..and/or their best RA4 with the broken stem at 9..? Rob says that these 2 FV varieties are tougher to find in a higher grade. Let's bring them all out if possible... . Edited by DEVLEC
01/15/2017 8:44 pm
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It is a very tough coin to photograph. I don't have a decent image of the clash marks in GRATIA, but they are there. The marks on the cheek in the old Heritage photo were on the holder.
I have six or seven others of OA2/RA3 ranging from VG to AU55.
I have one OA1/RA1; SP64. Two OE1/RA1; AU55 and VG. Two OF1/RA2; EF and VG. Two OA1/RA4; EF and VG. All in all, a pretty scarce bunch of coins.
The copper nickel specimen OA1/RA1 is a very cool coin. It was probably one of the first provincial cents struck and shows exactly what Wyon intended before the deterioration set in and made the varieties we all love.
The photos of most of these are in the books and I prefer not to put them in the public domain to be "pinned" without asking.
http://www.victoriancent.com2011 & 2025 Fred Bowman Literary Award Winner, 2020 J. Douglas Ferguson Award Winner, & 2022 Paul Fiocca Award Winner. Life Member of RCNA.
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01/15/2017 10:17 pm
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Thanks for the added info on your vast collection Rob. Here is another that you did see last year.. It's a bit dirty on the rev ..and stuck in an ICCS cert for the moment..The rev lines across are shadows from the cert..and not marks.. How would any of you grade this FVFS compared to the OP's cent..?..It's another OA2/RA3 ..and what would NGC grade this cent..because I'm looking at the hair and eyelid on my cent..and also doing a quick comparison to the OP's.. CV, We value your input on any of these additions..Please..    . Edited by DEVLEC
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