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Rest in Peace
United States
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I found You can negotiate with coin shops once they see you as a steady customer . But don't expect a huge discount , they still have that big nut known as Overhead . 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1911 Posts |
It also just seems to be luck of the draw in your LCS choices. Mine has some silver coins I can buy for spot. I think they let me look through it mostly though since I am a repeat and have built that relationship. But then again another LCS in my town just focuses more on the higher end stuff. Better coins, yes, but WAY more expensive and he doesn't even deal with junk silver at all.
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Valued Member
United States
330 Posts |
It's a greatly mixed bag. I see things on ebay that are considerably less than the local stores, but you have to wade through a lot of garbage to find them. The local dealers don't usually have culls, and seeing it up close means there are no light tricks to be done as with a picture (which has happened to me a few times now). ebay also has terrible prices on some things, Japanese WWII occupation money for example. Most of the average circulated ones there are $2-3 each. The local dealer gave me a few boxes to go through and at the end I got a much greater variety than is on ebay now and at a much lower price -- $0.50 each for the circulated ones, $1 for a few of the CU ones. Everything is a matter of you knowing what you're doing.
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Valued Member
 United States
123 Posts |
Thanks everyone for all the input and advice! Greatly appreciated!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3479 Posts |
You all know my thoughts. I prefer buying off the internet for reasons previously stated. I don't want to have to pay full retail for a few coins just to get a decent deal on the fourth. You end up losing in the long run. I understand why coins shops are closing and struggling. The owners of local shops in Kansas City seem so stressed out that they lost their passion for coins. You can see it in their eyes especially when you bring in your own coins and ask questions. It's a turn off but I understand their position. It not just coin shops suffering it's retail in general. If the internet trends continue with Amazon and other online shopping venues the commercial real estate market will collapse. Actually that outcome is probably inevitable.
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New Member
United States
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My lcs is cheaper than most online companies and certainly ebay. Although it is named "........ Rare Coins", it is more of a stackers shop. They buy and sell junk silver, gold and silver bullion. As a general rule I believe that shops that specialize in numismatics are more likely to over charge than shops which specialize in bullion.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4333 Posts |
I never buy from ebay. Too much bs and not to mention counterfeits. Privacy and no paper trail is also important to me, so I will pay more and deal with my LCS.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Pretty much has already been said. Coin stores have lots and lots of overhead. Usually many carry coin collecting supplies aside from just coins. Some also carry stamps and/or other collectables. As noted they have taxes, rent, gas, water, phone, electric bills to pay. Also, many have a family to support and all from the profit of the store. The best place to buy a coin is usually at a coin show. Look up coin shows and see if there are any in your area. Usually at a coin show the dealers only have to pay to rent a table for one or more days. Much easier than an entire store.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3843 Posts |
I like to see coins in hand before I purchase them. That being said a high percentage of local coin shops have totally unrealistic prices even after negotiation. I have to search hard to find coins available locally for reasonable prices and sometimes I think I'd be better served buying online.
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Valued Member
United States
211 Posts |
It often costs more to run a physical shop. The only way it's cheaper is probably with low value material. The cost of listing and/or photographing lower value stuff is impractical. In a B&M shop, you can throw that in a row box and someone might buy it for little to no work on your part.
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Moderator
 United States
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It seems like many dealers have forgone their B&M business. It is much cheaper to travel the coin show circuit and/or sell online.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
19969 Posts |
It all depends on the shop and if you're a regular. I'd rather see a coin in person over some crappy pictures. Even if a coin costs more, I'm willing to pay it in many circumstances since I can SEE the coin and instantly take it home.
The best tool for an LCS is a Graysheet. Most of them use it. They generally will pay about 50% of bid to strangers. I normally get about 20% below bid for stuff I sell to them....but I've known the owner for about 10 years and do a good bit of business. So, if you're an informed/known buyer, you can get a lower price by Graysheet negotiation. Generally, they will go 10-20% above Graysheet "ask" so there's plenty of room. Of course, keep in mind, EVERY coin is different. Really nice coins can command a premium and dealers know it.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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At a few coin shows I've talked to dealers that also had a coin store. They all agree a coin store is OK but not a really great income place. One of the horrors around me is the property taxes. A small store can run over 30,000 a year in just property taxes. And that is for the owner of the property. If a person is renting that store, the owner has to charge enough rent to pay for those taxes. Many coin stores go out of business due to just not enough business. A poor location or changing neighborhood can really break a place. On place I know of that went under tried to sell stamps, sporting items, coin collecting supplies and several other items. Still a poor location just didn't help. And don't forget things like Insurances, safes, lighting fixtures, show cases and on and on and on. Even stores like Kmart are going under.
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote: Even if a coin costs more, I'm willing to pay it in many circumstances since I can SEE the coin and instantly take it home. This. 
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Valued Member
United States
336 Posts |
I've found that if you deal strictly in cash so that the LCS can avoid fees of processing a debit/credit card or have deal with a check they are willing to deal a bit more on price. Also, if you are willing to hunt and keep an open mind, you can often find prices that are lower than online on some coins.
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