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Look up coin shows in your area. At a decent coin show you could almost fill an entire Album with Indian cents. None are that horribly expensive except the 1856 Eagle. Other than that one, I've seen almost all of them at coin shows for decent prices. |
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Hey Carl, there's a coin show next weekend (about an hour drive). I plan to go. The key dates, semi-key dates, varieties, etc. I plan to get respectable condition (if possible) while staying within some sort of budget. Well, bought my first Indian Head cent hole filler. I'll post a pic and you tell me if you're disappointed.  I got this 1864 bronze with L in XF-45 condition for about the price of one in VG-20 condition. As an added bonus, it has a repunched date. Edited by batboy
02/12/2017 8:19 pm
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Well done! Best hole-filler I've seen in some time.  |
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That's a nice one! Good luck at the show!
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Quote:One sleeper date is the 1886. I never could get one in any better than VG when I was kid. There are two types if you check your Red Book. The difference has to do with the placement of the feathers in the headdress. The Type II is tough as nails in high grade, and many of them were not well struck. Ok, what about this coin? I must admit I'm not good at determining what is a strong strike. I know more detail will show. This 1886 type 2 seems like it is fairly well struck to me. What do the experts say?  |
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That looks pretty weakly struck. I can hardly read the word LIBERTY.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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I agree the word liberty on the headband (ribbon) is not super clear, but this is a circulated coin in XF-40 condition. I thought that was a high point that normally got wear and helped distinguish VF from the XF grades? Or am I getting more confused?
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This is a Type 2 1886 Indian Head cent graded XF40 by PCGS. This one has a nice strike and LIBERTY is perfectly legible.  IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
02/13/2017 9:08 pm
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I think that 1886 T-2 makes XF-40. I do see some separation on the ribbon and hair curl. Very pleasing color.
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Ok, but to me the coin you posted could easily be a XF45 in my opinion. I don't have any other photos of the one I'm looking at, but I cropped and zoomed in on that photo I posted last. Looks like the lighting is poor which could account for part of it. The lettering is all nice and well defined. Well, I need to study up on strong vs. weak strike. [EDIT: I lightened up the closeup photo and reposted the pic. Poor lighting is part of the problem.]  Edited by batboy
02/13/2017 10:13 pm
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Enlarging the picture helped a lot. It doesn't look as bad. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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But, your coin show more detail in the cheek area where the one I posted has more wear on the face and headdress. Your PCGS coin could be an older slab when they were more conservative. Not that I'm encouraging you to do it, but I bet if yours was resubmitted it would get a higher grade. You got a nice looking IHC. |
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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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I tried to buy an 1856 Flying Eagle for a customer years ago and have "tire kicked" them at the shows for myself. I've found that a lot of them are over graded in the slab and over priced as a result. Quite often the grading services can be conservative with the rarer coins when it comes to grading, but the '56 flyer seems to be an exception. BTW the close-up photos of the 1886 Type II Indian cent bear out what I posted. The coin is in EF-40, but the general look of it says to me that it was not a sharp strike when it was new. You really need a Mint State example to show that, however. Check out the AU-55 example on "Coin Facts." It does not have a complete "LIBERTY," but the surfaces show that it is graded correctly. I wanted to post a picture of it, but "Photo Bucket" puts you through the trial of PXY to upload pictures these days. Edited by billjones
02/14/2017 08:34 am
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Thanks for your comments. So, that 1886 type 2 is graded right in your opinion (it has a CAC sticker on it, so I was hoping it was ok). Regarding strike, it's not a strong strike, but on the other hand, not it's not a weak one either, right? Perhaps we can say it has "average" strike?
I'm not going to worry about getting a 1856 Flying Eagle, at least for now. The Dansco album doesn't have a port for it, so that's good enough for me to leave it off my list.
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