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It's Time To Kill The Penny: Fmr US Mint Director

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 Posted 02/14/2017  2:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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Drop the cent and everyone will just turn on the "round to the .05" setting that is already programmed into their cash register.

If you don't and you try to always round up manually,you are going to find yourself having to explain to nearly every customer why you are charging them MORE than what the cash register shows. It will cause delays (angry customers), you will be telling them you are deliberately overcharging them (ANGRY customers), and your competitor down the street who lets the machine round will be faster and in the long run his customers bills will be lower. Which store would you shop at? (loss of customers)




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Why keep making the cent for collector sets?
Because people will buy them. That is why. Never stop making a profitable product people are willing to buy.
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 Posted 02/14/2017  3:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list
You know, fellow CCF members, you must realize that it doesn't matter what a former mint director or the whole lot of us think. It is in the hands of the US government, and it does not seem that they are pushing anywhere in that direction.
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 Posted 02/14/2017  3:09 pm  Show Profile   Check nss-52's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nss-52 to your friends list
Trump may "change" that! Who knows?
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 Posted 02/14/2017  3:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andrew99 to your friends list
In Canada and the Netherlands, they've dropped the 1c for years. Everybody rounds and nobody cares. Let Hollywood continue to make movies about people accumulating millions in rounding errors. Nobody still cares.
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 Posted 02/14/2017  4:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
Imagine all the companies with their signs that say 2 for .99, 1.99 each, etc. Almost every catalog I get in the mail has the prices at 2.99, 3.99, etc. Wow, what a lot of changes that will make if the Penny is gone.
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 Posted 02/14/2017  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadToTheBone to your friends list
All the money the gov't wastes I think the cent is not going to solve the national debt. If they can pay 1 time Senators and congressmen Life time retirement checks they can certainly keep the cent for collectors and especially young coin collectors!
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 Posted 02/14/2017  5:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add crazyglue to your friends list

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Sales tax is already rounded. Do not confuse cents with percents. Also, Charleston has an 8.5% sales tax and it works out just fine with out a Half Cent in the mix.


Maybe I am confused, but I don't think I am confusing cents with percent. But if you have a $93.65 item and your sales tax is 9%...that is $8.43 in sales tax. If there are no longer cents denominations in which to cover the cost, you have to be rounded either $8.40 or $8.45.
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 Posted 02/14/2017  6:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alpha2814 to your friends list
But payments made digitally (e.g. credit card) wouldn't be rounded. It's only tangible cash payments that would be because there would be no cent coins.

Business owners would most likely pay their tax to the state digitally, by direct transfer or by check. None of those would be rounded. Even if they were to pay with cash, I'd expect that they would total the tax amounts for all of their transactions and round that.
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...they can certainly keep the cent for collectors and especially young coin collectors!


They can still collect nickels, dimes and quarters. Did coin collecting wither in countries like Canada where they eliminated the cent?



Canada eliminated the 1˘ coin based on "The estimated savings for taxpayers from phasing out the penny is $11 million a year."
http://www.mint.ca/store/mint/about....WKOjU28rLtQ

According to a Forbes article, it costs the US Government $45 million to make 9 billion cents each year ($135 million less the $90 million face value).
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timwors...600a60226940



Question to Canadian forum members. When you go to a restaurant, for example, does the bill come with a cash price and a credit price?
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Imagine all the companies with their signs that say 2 for .99, 1.99 each, etc. Almost every catalog I get in the mail has the prices at 2.99, 3.99, etc. Wow, what a lot of changes that will make if the Penny is gone.
You are way off. Every Walmart price ends in 8 and K-mart (remember them?) ends in 7.
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Maybe I am confused, but I don't think I am confusing cents with percent. But if you have a $93.65 item and your sales tax is 9%...that is $8.43 in sales tax. If there are no longer cents denominations in which to cover the cost, you have to be rounded either $8.40 or $8.45.
It is not that complicated.

1 and 2 would round down to 0.
3 and 4 would round up to 5.
6 and 7 would round down to 5.
8 and 9 would round up to 10.

My point about cents and percents was that we already have to round to a nearest cent for sales tax. I buy some products and the total is $168.80. The sales tax is 6% in my county. The total becomes $178.928 which gets rounded to $178.93. I am showing you that the "How will we do sales tax without the cent?" question is just as uniformed as the "How do we do it without a coin worth a tenth of a cent?" question.
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 Posted 02/15/2017  10:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add crazyglue to your friends list


I get what you are saying on the rounding of less than 1%.

I get that anything 1 and 2 would round down and 3 and 4 would round up. It is simple, agreed.

I understand how it would work.

The only thing I am saying is that I believe over time there would be upward pressure on the rounding for convenience sake. I've seen Lombra's studies (paraphrased) and I've seen summaries of arguments against his studies. I think that most Americans would be suspicious of the move still as likely being regressive those that tend to pay cash for most transactions.
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 Posted 02/15/2017  11:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list
When people do their grocery shopping the rounding out is done on the total and not on each individual item.
The worst case scenario is that you will pay an extra 2c on top of your shopping bill, Or you could conversely win a 2c discount on your bill.
Seriously, I wouldn't think that anyone would be that concerned about a 2c swing either way.
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 Posted 02/15/2017  12:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add X2an to your friends list
I honestly don't understand the fuss. Like Lembafc mentioned the situation in South Korea, here in Sweden, and even Norway and New Zealand, we don't even have a 5c equivalent. And it works just fine! I hear nobody complaining about it here, probably because its the norm. Our smallest denomination, worth slightly more than a dime, is definitely small change but can be spend somewhat easily because of the fact that is isn't worthless. Less weight in your pockets, wallets, purses, whatever you prefer. No money is lost through negative seigniorage.

I definitely feel the convenience of having such a high smallest denomination when traveling to places where these scraps of coinage remains, especially the UK where the the 1p and 2p are not only (practically) worthless, but also very large, weighing down your pockets and all that.

Also, regarding shop's prices and rounding, I can definitely confirm that prices almost immediately go down. Before we lost our 50 Öre (0.5 SEK) coin, prices were typically written at xx9.50, now it's very common to see xx9.00. Despite that, prices such as xx9.90 are common, especially at supermarkets, though it's an accepted fact that it is in practice rounded up.

I too would love to see the US 1c as an NCLT issued coin, distributed the same way as US 50cs, but as long as they become alien to circulation everything's fine with me.

As for everything, I can be wrong, this is from my knowledge and experiences, don't quote me on this, no guarantees, no refunds, no return policy, I'm not liable for possible injuries, all that.
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 Posted 02/15/2017  2:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
Take care of your customers or someone else will.

Many shops around here ditched their "take/leave" penny trays and round everything down. Why? Because one of them did it first and word spread around.

I have also said this at least a hundred times. The vendor pays a fee to take your electronic payment. Rounding down one to four cents is still way less that what that fee is. When you pay cash they still save money even when rounding down.
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