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Pillar of the Community
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Is it off struck on the blank or did time just wear away the bottom where it says ROMA? It is not time worn. Both sides have the same problem and that is because the flan was made too small for the size of the design. It weighed correctly and fit within the die so that was enough. Bang and into circulation it goes, with most (but not quite all) of the design showing.. There is something special about the Roman Republican silver that I find particularly attractive. Yours is a nicely preserved example and shows the kind of "personality" that draws our attention to the times in which it was made. It is a fine heirloom. |
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Valued Member
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Thanks Irbguy. Your explanation makes a lot of sense and adds a further far off romanticism to the provenance of this fascinating coin.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Not all coins were subject to the same quality control. Sometimes it certainly seems to be that "Bang and into circulation it goes" as lrbguy stated was ok. Look at my coin below. Both sides are off centre. all from an uneven strike.  Here is a side on view of the coin  You can see the thickness of the coin varying from left (where there was little or no pressure) to right (where the main pressure from the strike took place). Having a coin where most of the coin is on the flan is good enough. Martin |
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Wow, amazing coin.
Would the flan have been prepared with the serations and then struck in the die?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I really like that side-on view. Besides the flan thickness, you can see how the mass of detail peters out as you move from right, where the strike was strongest, to left where it barely makes a dent. Clever use of imagery to make the point. Bravo.
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03/07/2017 1:41 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Thank you. I thought it a quite effective way to show the eneven nature of the strike. It is nice to see the high leven of detail where the strike is strongest. It is one of my growing collection of L Papius Serratus denarii. My most recent has another interesting artefact from the manufacturing process. L Papius Denarius Serratus Obv:- Head of Juno Sospita right, wearing goat skin tied under chin. Behind head, base of column. Rev:- Gryphon running right; in ex., L. PAPI.; in field, corinthian capital Minted in Rome from . B.C. 79. Reference(s) - RSC Papia 1. RRC 384/1. RCTV 311. Symbol variety - RRC 21. Babelon 81. BMCRR 21. CNR 1/034 3.41 gms Stannard weight correction scoop on reverse. A scoop of silver was removed from the blank before striking as it was deemed too heavy. The blank was then struck and this is the result. These weight correction scoops appear on both obverse and reverse.  Martin |
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Pillar of the Community
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It's interesting that with serrati the flan weight correction could not very well take place at the edge. But scooping it from the interior almost seems worse. However, assuming that the defect is incuse, (I can't tell from the pic) how can we be sure the problem was not something adhering to the hammer die at that spot?
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Pillar of the Community
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This is an incuse scoop. These marks on republican denarii were a mystery for a while. A weight correction scoop taken from the blank pre-strike is the current accepted theory proposed by Clive Stannard. Here is his article on the subject:- http://stannard.info/stannard_adjus...i_blanks.pdfMartin |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Ah, thanks for the reference. The key to distinguishing a scoop from an intrusion by a foreign body is the presence of what Stannard calls "judders" from the characteristic advance of the chisel when tapped. Excellent study. I'm impressed that you have one. Just out of curiosity, was it sold to you as having a defect, or did the seller know about this work?
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Pillar of the Community
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This came from a large European dealer who didn't mention it one way or another. I have another one but the coin is suffering from lots of other damage too and is quite ugly.
Martin
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I thought it worth sharing my other scoop example. L Papius Denarius Serratus Obv:- Head of Juno Sospita right, wearing goat skin tied under chin. Behind head, cooking pot with hook. Rev:- Gryphon running right; in ex., L. PAPI.; in field, triple flesh-hook Minted in Rome from B.C. 79. Reference:- RSC Papia 1. RRC 384/1. RCTV 311. Symbol variety - RRC 13. Babelon 13. BMCRR 35. CNR: 1/049. A "Stannard" weight adjustment scoop on the reverse Rough surfaces due to harsh cleaning.  |
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Valued Member
Canada
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Great info thanks.
One last thing - what is the preferred method of storage for these coins. My Denarius looks a little weird in a 2x2 flip - almost like Roma is trying to bust out of the mylar. What is the best way to store this thing?
thanks again
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These coins are a little thick, but I store them in 2x2s. Just make sure that you are flattening the staples (or using self-adhesive) so that you don't inadvertantly add scratches to adjacently-stored coins.
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