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I hope coop will chime in and answer this,he is much better with explaining things. Error vs Variety? John1  |
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I don't mean to be too forthcoming, but doubled dies are either a Mint error or not.
I know that coop and others have quite a bit more experience than I but, there is not a current scenario in which a Doubled Die is not an error on the Mint's part.
Edit: I'm not speaking of varieties that were intentionally made (design changes) but, only coins that were struck with the wrong die at the wrong time.
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03/17/2017 05:35 am
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Short answer as I understand it: Error is a one of a kind coin and a variety is multiples of the same anomaly from the same die pair. I PMed a few experts,will see who responds. John1 |
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According to widely accepted hobby conventions, any doubled die is considered a "die variety". In its narrowest interpretation, die varieties include most mishaps that occur during preparation of the working die. So this includes doubled dies, repunched mintmarks, repunched dates, overdates, overmintmarks, chipped hubs, chipped punches, etc. In its widest interpretation (one which I don't share), die varieties include any die defect, including Cuds, die damage, die abrasion, collar breaks, etc. There are lots of gray areas and points of disagreemnt, of course. For a list of die varieties, mint errors, and other categories, see this comprehensive checklist: http://www.error-ref.com/error_and_..._check_list/Error coin writer and researcher.
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03/17/2017 07:50 am
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How coins are labeled in numismatic jargon does not change the fact that most every coin collector considers a doubled die an error since the mint produced a coin unlike what was intended. It seems more reasonable to say that for a given year there are different varieties of doubled die errors. To me, anyway.
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I agree with Mike. That to a die hard collector of varieties, the break down of the die does not make it a variety. It just shows that the die is aging from use. Events that happen to a die are used as markers by die variety collectors, but that is all use them for to ID the same die pair/or added die to confirm die aging. The best doubled die example I recently purchased was the die variety on the 2015. It is a good price to a doubled die. I got mine off ebay. |
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Basically the die is a error, the coin is a variety not an error Another good place to look for DDO's is on early Shield nickels. There are lots of them and they can often be found unattributed. 1868 is a real good year for them. Edited by Conder101
03/17/2017 3:18 pm
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It's my understanding a coin can be a variety and an error. Some coins are both. There are different die stages of varieties and some errors, but varieties repeat and errors were unintended. It seems you want a Variety/Error coin in a slab, and at a reasonable price. Why not buy a 95 LMC and have it slabbed? I think ANACS is reasonable. Nice doubling on liberty and in God we.....  Edited by CoinMasters
03/17/2017 10:02 pm
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Thanks all for the information and discussion! I'm watching a couple slabbed '95 LMC DDOs and a couple raw. I like the looks of it and the general price range. I'm keeping my eyes open for a '46 Walker DDR but may make that a hunting project for something unattributed that I can snag. I do happen to like the reverse design on the Walking Liberty's more than the obverse.  In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
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If you get the 95,get the highest grade you can afford. MS68 or higher. John1 |
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You want an inexpensive doubled die ; how about the 1955 poor mans D/D .  |
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I'd prefer a nice XF 1936 1c DDO-001 to the more modern DDOs, but that's just me.
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But the topic was inexpensive doubled dies. I got mine for $16 shipped. To me that is something I didn't have yet. (as I live in an area where the Philly coin don't reach as often. (99% Denver coins in my area) I have received a few duplicates from finds of others, but I wanted one of these for my collection. Now I have one!
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how about the 1955 poor mans D/D I already have one.  I let one (1995) go that was NGC MS66 because I told myself that I wanted a higher grade. I regretted it a little when it sold for $27. Oh well, there's a lot more where that came from. I'm still searching! In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
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