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Edited by oldmike
03/28/2017 4:33 pm
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Interesting! Would like to see the whole obverse and reverse. Is it misaligned at all? Thanks, Doug.
Edited by Halo1st
03/28/2017 4:55 pm
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Retained Cuds are just the die cracks that have detached from the die, but haven't fully broken off yet. Yours is a rim Cud, which are far more common than Cuds, but that doesn't detract from the cool factor. Great find!
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 w/ rim Cuds. It may also be slightly off-center but it's difficult to say without seeing the entire coin. Excellent pics by the way! In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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Coop explained this the other day, was out of collar strike, see MAD on reverse which causes anvil die to strike at angle, can't seem t find thread, had a diagram showing this.
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I can't find the post either but I did save a copy of the diagram so I will upload it.   |
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It's very close and am thinking it's off-center and not MAD (mis-aligned die). The off-center strike should be in the same direction on both sides, hence Off-Center, and not MAD where it would be on one side only or both in different directions. Because no devices are affected, however, it doesn't really add a premium. My very humble opinion.  In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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03/29/2017 02:17 am
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For me I really like these types of errors. I agree with it being MAD and I have yet to find a coin with double rim Cuds. Plus, I think with this one, the way the L in Liberty is set almost on top of the rim it very interesting. Each to his own :) |
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This is where I get controversial concerning rim Cuds and like to see the whole coin to better gauge the overall depth and or hieght of the design rim all the way around. They are often considered rim Cuds as that is what they resemble. If it rises above the normal or should say actual design rim then I think rim Cud, because the dies rim edge has broken away. When the strike is misaligned then all bets are off. The material back flow cannot always compensate for that. If the feature follows the contour of the inner design rim including top height, I question it being an actual rim Cud. This ones a little different as it has slight misalignment and fin on the reverse as well. Makes me wonder if obv and rev misalignment coupled with an ackward flow of material hampered the back fill process? If a secound is found similar then that would help confirm a rim Cud. Check Cuds on coins. Thanks, Doug. Adding: Something on a double rim or false rim can have an appearance of being raised when its not. Also trying to fix typo. Miss my spell checker..... Edited by Halo1st
03/29/2017 9:18 pm
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On the coin image from Brody, the die was tilted a bit leaving an area where the metal could fin next to the collar area. Thus the raised fin. But the OP's coin is an issue with a collar chip leaving the rim looking like that. Thus it is a rim collar. (not a die issue or machine issue. It is a damaged collar issue.
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The lead=-off coin shows two rim Cuds. The obverse die's rim gutter broke away in these two areas. Error coin writer and researcher.
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Thanks Mike I figured if anyone would know, you would be the one to help us.
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