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The obverse looks really nice for sure
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How can you tell the variety from those pictures? If you can tell the Sheldon variety from those pictures, you are better than 99.9% of the copper guys I have met since I have been a collector.
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Close-up pics ... The seller's reverse pics aren't as close as the obverse ones. There looks to be some debris amid the letters on the reverse, but ANACS notes nothing. Net graded?   |
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How can you tell the variety from those pictures? If you can tell the Sheldon variety from those pictures, you are better than 99.9% of the copper guys I have met since I have been a collector. The spacing of the date, the spacing of the denomenator in the fraction, and the position of the two leaves at the top relative to the last S in STATES. Edited by TypeCoin971793
04/01/2017 11:02 pm
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I don't know how you can decide that a coin like that is "under graded" from those pictures. Yes, the color looks good, but you don't know about the surfaces. At they pitted? Have they been smoothed? What about the reverse? Fair enough. I see your point. Quote:Quite often ebay sellers post bad pictures for a reason, and it's almost always never for your benefit. I've only had a couple bad experiences with bad pictures on ebay. The rest were the seller not knowing how to properly photograph a coin. |
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There looks to be some debris amid the letters on the reverse, but ANACS notes nothing. Net graded? I saw that and was wondering about it. |
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A lot of collectors treat the new ANACS coins like raw coins. I would agree with that opinion. They are usually fairly good at detecting and mentioning problems. I have seen ANACS call some coins cleaned that would get a definite pass at NGC and PCGS. Sure their technical grading may not be accurate, but I would not completely cast them aside. But then again, I don't deal with as many coins as some of the people on this forum do. And, to be fair, I treat PCGS and NGC coins as raw. They have become looser in their standards in the past couple years. |
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How can you tell the variety from those pictures? If you can tell the Sheldon variety from those pictures, you are better than 99.9% of the copper guys I have met since I have been a collector. Highest wave of hair is RIGHT of the center of the R. That only comes on S-136 and 137. On 136 the right stem is long and close to the right foot of the A. On 137 it is short and distant from the right foot. This is 136. |
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And, to be fair, I treat PCGS and NGC coins as raw. They have become looser in their standards in the past couple years. You and I are in full agreement on that point. |
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For the sake of comparison, here's a specimen of S-136 that was sold by Goldberg, ex-Dan Holmes, for $1,200+. Described as follows by Goldberg ... 1797 S-136 R3-. Fine-15. Attractive glossy medium brown and chocolate. The surfaces are smooth and completely free of roughness or verdigris. The only significant marks are a short hairline scratch over the 179 in the date, a nick hidden in the hair left of the neck, and a thin planchet void (as struck) slanting from the A in STATES to the M in AMERICA. Extremely rare EDS, Breen state I, with perfect dies, void of clashmarks or bulging at ER in AMERICA. A sharply struck example with excellent eye appeal for the grade. Removed from an NGC slab graded VF30 (NGC label included, and it shows the attribution and Reiver provenance). DWH #2866.
Estimated Value $1,000-UP.
Ex DiBlanca-Ray Chatham-George Ramont 2/18/71-Jules Reiver, Heritage 1/24/06:19342.I would note the same, central reverse weakness in comparison to the subject coin. It's also interesting to note a similar disparity in grading; this, as the Holmes' coin was downgraded from VF-30 to F-15!   Edited by ExoGuy
04/02/2017 09:25 am
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BillJones: I am VERY surprised by your comments. I have seen people take far worse pictures and make a positive ID on variety. These pictures are clear as day for determining variety and even grade. The only question here is whether or not there are any problems with the surfaces. Reverse weakness for sure.
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I'd bet it has been cleaned and retoned. Color looks too good.
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