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1779 Rhode Island Ship Token

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Can someone out there tell me the specs (diameter/weight) for a pewter Rhode Island Ship Token? I might have found one.
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Can you post pics?

I can't find a weight but I believe they were all 32mm. (Bowers)

For any one interested...

http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/Col...p.intro.html

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Can you post pictures? If not email one of us and we can post it.
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1779-Rhode-Island-Ship-Token

It is about 32mm in diameter. I took pictures of it and then put it in a flip to try to keep it in decent shape. As it appears to be made of a tin-based metal, it has some corrosion to it and the lettering has started to chip off.

I would also like to post comparison shots at some point. There is a high resolution image on numista that I was thinking of using that is of the same type.
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On the link amida posted, it stated that these tokens were struck in brass and pewter

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On the link amida posted, it stated that these tokens were struck in brass and pewter


True, but this one does not have a brassy color to it. The pictures make it look more yellow than it actually is. Having owned tin coins (pewter is made up mostly of tin) I know that tin tends to break down in a similar way, with pockmarks that form in places.
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Don't know a whole lot about these tokens but yes, there were a few metal varients.
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I am not an expert in these coins/tokens by any means, but your example definitely looks like it is affected by "tin pest" to me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_pest
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I have looked for weight and diameter information on R.I Ship Tokens struck in pewter, but have not been able to find any further information.

These coins are vary rare. The R.I Ship Token was struck in copper, brass and pewter, and the estimated extant population for each is 250 - 499 in copper, 125 - 249 in brass, and only 9 - 16 in pewter (per the Bowers Encyclopedia of Colonial and Early American Coins).

If real, and I am certainly hoping it is, then this is a significant find and a rare one.


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So, in order to authenticate something like this, where should I look? NGC? PCGS?
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Definitely get it certified, DKA. The two grading companies are equally reliable, though they make their mistakes. Even if it comes back in a details slab, it will still bring a premium if you're trying to sell it (though I'd keep it if I were you...)
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Breen lists these as being 32 mm and the weight as being variable. He lists 5 examples of this variety and gives weights of three of them: 8.36 grams, 8.69 grams, and 8.75 grams. He does mention the 8.69 gram coin has tin pest
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Cruisinfusion: I will likely hold on to it unless there is some sort of financial hardship and I absolutely have to get rid of it.

Conder101: My scale says that it is 8.93 grams, and the same 32 mm.
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It looks like it may have tin pest. Tin pest causes flaking on the coin, usually on the outer edges.
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