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color is better on second coin. Sharpness was a bit better on first coin. AU graded coin in AU would be around $200 or so
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I think the first coin will say AU "something" on the holder.
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If that second one is graded AU, it is overgraded. It's EF at best, and I'd have it as a high VF. Try looking for these raw. You might get a better coin for a lower price. Contrary to the arrogant and misguided opinion, there are still nice coins that are outside of TPG plastic jails. |
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Quote:Try looking for these raw. You might get a better coin for a lower price. Contrary to the arrogant and misguided opinion, there are still nice coins that are outside of TPG plastic jails. This is still true to a point because there are still a lot of Early American Copper collectors who don't care for copper coins in slabs. I think that if Jolteon showed us the slab grades, it would give us a better opportunity to advise him if the coin is a good buy. There is the "guess the grade" game which we play here, and thre is the "what's it worth" game which is a another issue. Like it or not the grade on the holder goes a long way toward estimating the market price, especially on PCGS coins which have more strength in the market place. An overgraded PCGS coin can sell for the assigned grade. That is especialy true of the coin is a PCGS CAC. There was an 1875-S Twenty Cent Piece pictured on the PCGS chat board this week. The coin was graded MS-65, CAC, the left wing of the eagle on the reverse was poorly defined because of what I believed to be a planchet issue when the coin was struck. To me that coin would be over priced if you paid MS-65 money for it. The 1875-S 20 cent usually comes well struck and this piece was unusual in that regard, and in this case "unusual" as not a good thing. Pricing can hinge on two general factors. What is the slab grade, and what is the real grade? The two are no necessarily the same thing. |
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The first was XF45, second XF40
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i like the 2nd one for xf40 money.  IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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I'd need to see the first coin in hand before I could say for sure. I like the overall look of the 2nd one more but it has a weaker strike and the luster looks better on coin 1. I just can't tell what are ticks and scratches on coin 1 and what is dust or just a dirty holder. I'd also need to see that color on the reverse. These coins are common...try to find yourself a good booby which is a little more in demand. Unless the price offered for these is too good to pass up.
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Okay, third time is a charm right? These is an AU55, in a decent price range. I see an adjustment mark on front, but any other issues?   |
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I see a long diagonal scratch across liberty. A big hit in the center of the reverse. This is a problem coin and would never pay au55 money for this. :-(
On closer look, the scratch looks like a raised die break or scratch. Still distracting and unattractive. And it looks like a scratch.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
06/22/2017 10:18 pm
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That does not have the look of an AU-55 coin. But... very neat die crack on the obverse!! I think that is an N-9 Variety.
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06/22/2017 10:17 pm
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I thought it was an adjustment mark but I guess not?
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Have you seen this coin here in the CCF Classifieds (not my coin, but thought of this thread as soon as I saw it). http://goccf.com/t/290897 |
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I don't have an 1837 large cent. I've kicked around the idea of putting together a large cent date set, but the my interest has just not been been strong enough to do it. Here is an 1838 large cent that PCGS graded AU-58. The obverse picture is a bit grainy, but perhaps it is good enough to give you an idea of how a true AU should look. For the record this coin cost me $325 in 2016.   On the higher end of the scale here is an 1841 large cent in PCGS MS-63, Brown. This came from an EAC dealer, and they cherry pick the best slabbed coins and charge strong prices for them. The point of that statement, don't expect most of the MS-63 graded large cents to look like this. "If the alligators don't get you the mosquitoes will." OR "There is no Santa Claus in numismatics."   |
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Absolutely stunning. Billjones, how much (if you don't mind me asking) was the second coin?
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Quote:
Okay, third time is a charm right?
These is an AU55, in a decent price range. I see an adjustment mark on front, but any other issues?
That is not an adjustment mark. Those don't appear on the later large cents. It could be a die crack (seems likely), but it could also be a scratch. Other than that, the only problem I see is that it is overgraded by 10 points. |
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