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1893 Isabella 25¢ - GTG Or You Vs NGC

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 Posted 08/24/2017  7:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nfine to your friends list
Lovely 58 IMHO.
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 Posted 08/24/2017  8:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinlover1899 to your friends list
MS62 very attractive!
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 Posted 08/24/2017  8:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list
I'm compelled to go AU55 on this otherwise lovely example.

Must state ... it's very challenging to grade potential MS coins by photographs ... the coin in hand where one can view rub is imperative for any MS determination.

This coin ... to me with some expertise on the topic ... shows clear circulation wear on the high points of the design ...

On the obverse ...Look at the central jewel in Queen Isabella crown ... and the beaded 'hair' flowing down from the crown.

On the reverse ... the best pick-up point is to view the point where the spinner thread crosses the knee ...

All show wear ... but not much. Hence my authentic, AU55 opinion.

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 Posted 08/24/2017  8:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list
Certainly circulated, but only with the lightest brush - 58.

Fortunately, it shows no sign of cleaning which is so prevalent on this early issue.

Keep the CSC 50 set at the top of your want list if you ever hope to complete it.

Also keep in mind that in many instances high grade TPG is only slightly more than raw. Check out the Iowa in MS-67 as an example.
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 Posted 08/24/2017  10:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list
I'll take a jab at AU55 and it's a beauty!
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 Posted 08/24/2017  11:39 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
AU55 sounds about right. 53 if the luster's weak, it is a nice coin.
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 Posted 08/25/2017  08:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
AU-55
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 Posted 08/25/2017  3:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
AU-55, nice subtle coloring.
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 Posted 08/25/2017  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joseph7420 to your friends list
AU-58.
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 Posted 08/26/2017  8:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Beefer518 to your friends list
Ok folks, time for the reveal.

1893-Isabella-25¢---GTG-Or-You-Vs-NGC
1893-Isabella-25¢---GTG-Or-You-Vs-NGC

I think nickelsearcher's comment skewed things, and what he said made me take another look at the coin. I'm not defending the coin, or the opinions, as it's always difficult to grade via photo vs in hand.


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On the reverse ... the best pick-up point is to view the point where the spinner thread crosses the knee ...


I have looked at this area at many different lighting angles, and under the loupe, and I'm certain it's a weak-ish strike in that area (maybe a bit of a grease strike through?). I see what is being referred to, but the luster is consistent across the thread, and I think it's just the strike. I'm going to try and get a second opinion on that later this week.


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On the obverse ...Look at the central jewel in Queen Isabella crown ... and the beaded 'hair' flowing down from the crown.


What everyone (myself included) is seeing on the center jewel is an out of focus scratch on the slab:

1st pic was taken at the same time as the images posted here, (but at a different exposure), second is taken with the coin/slab at an angle. I'm pointing to the scratch that I think was mistaken for wear (and how it relocated when at an angle).

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1893-Isabella-25¢---GTG-Or-You-Vs-NGC

As for the jeweled hair, I'm not sure.

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08/26/2017 8:13 pm
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 Posted 08/26/2017  8:25 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
Weak strike perhaps but with a mintage of 24,000 it's hard to imagine how that can be a MS63. Here's a MS63 obverse for comparison. Or perhaps I should say no comparison.

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 Posted 08/26/2017  8:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Beefer518 to your friends list
Do you think it should be re-submitted? And if they grade it lower, would they pay the difference between a 63 and a 55/58? I also wonder if a scratch-proof slab would be better. This slab is pretty scuffed up.
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 Posted 08/26/2017  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list

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And if they grade it lower, would they pay the difference between a 63 and a 55/58?


They should. Whether they would downgrade it is the bigger question.



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I also wonder if a scratch-proof slab would be better.


Funny you mention it because my first thought was bad slab or images contributing to the appearance. Certainly a new slab would enhance the appearance but the cost/value analysis doesn't justify it IMO.

If it were mine I'd try to sell it for MS63 money and buy an equivalent AU55 for half the price.
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 Posted 08/31/2017  11:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oober to your friends list
It looked Ms 62 to me, but stored improperly which sometimes can skew grades. Eye appeal has been taken to the woodshed. Sorry.
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 Posted 09/01/2017  08:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add machine20 to your friends list
Nice looking coin and from the completed listings looks like you got it for a good price
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